Where the evil villain will go on a rant about how society is cruel and needs to change and that they're going to change it. The hero opposes this for like zero reasons and somehow we're supposed to be on the hero's side.

Are we really supposed to believe that our society doesn't need to change? Are we supposed to cheer for the status quo even when it's shown to be terrible?

I also hate the sympathetic villain trope where it's shown that the villain is the product of abuse and yet their want for revenge is still treated as unjustified.

  • Soap_Owl [any]
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    2 years ago

    Yes, the rich sex pests that approve which movies get made feel like society is just about right. Big surprise there.

    I think the worst one of these I can remember is big hero six. Where the villan saves his daughter from a corrupt military contracting company and goes to jail for it. They really don't make any attempt to justify it other than he broke stuff. Stuff being the corrupt military contractors office

    • StuporTrooper [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Been many moons, but didn't the main characters brother die from the villain? Or was his death completely unrelated.

      • Soap_Owl [any]
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        2 years ago

        It was kinda unrelated. The villan faked his death by burning dowm his office and the brother ran into a fully burning building with no plan or equipment to save him. Like A for effort but F for logistics.

    • Nakoichi [he/him]M
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      Hanna is about as close to portraying the CIA, the State Department, and the DoD (and by proxy the whole US govt.) as unambiguously evil. Guy goes rogue to rescue sci-fi mkultra girl and they are forced to go hide in the Swiss alps or something in the middle of nowhere where he trains her in self-defense, hunting and foraging, until the CIA finally tracks them down and they must go on the run again. The final season does have a bit of a copout with the MKULTRA standin being a black box project that even the previously villainous government institutions were not fully aware of its scope or details, but even that isn't too far off the mark given how those institutions try to at least maintain enough separation from their most evil shit to maintain plausible deniability.

      Hanna the protagonist also slaughters a shitload of CIA goons and spec ops troops so that's fun, and at one point there is a brief shot of a government kill list (you have to pause it to read it) that includes environmentalists, journalists, foreign civilians, left wing activists and politicians.

      Overall I think it was one of the lesser lib shows I've seen which is a low bar but I appreciated the pandering anyway.

      • emizeko [they/them]
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        2 years ago

        was confused until I realized you were talking about Hanna (2011) the TV show based on that movie

        • Nakoichi [he/him]M
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          2 years ago

          Oops I forgot it had two n's it's good slop though highly recommend.

          • emizeko [they/them]
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            2 years ago

            the movie was dope but it would have been even better if she spent more time killing CIA employees

            • Nakoichi [he/him]M
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              2 years ago

              That's why the show rules, the entire second season is her going ham on the CIA.