The democracy of the democratic workplaces and apartments is succdem democracy. So yes, these things are very likely to happen.
Don't like it? :vote: for a different elected representative in four years time and hope he'll be different despite coming from the same pool of sociopathic nerds as your current one.
It's absolutely milquetoast Succdem (or, really, DemSoc by modern standards) but it's not nothing, look at Red Vienna for an example of this type of reformism that was actually taken seriously and was a roaring success (until reaction murdered them all in the 30s).
Of course if the Vaushites run it it'll be a hellhole of the Sociopathic nerds. But they couldn't run a charity BBQ let alone a workers state.
I'm all for doing all the reforms you can but a thing like Red Vienna was only possible because a socialist revolution was a likely alternative. Today we have nothing to scare the bourgeoisie into accepting reforms.
The best possible outcome of a bourgeois democracy is that it fails so spectacularly at organising itself that workers are forced to organize as a result.
But that never happens because industrial capitalists are actually really good at organizing labor through exploitation that if they're allowed to continue to exist they'll subsume the failed state and institute feudalistic or fascist ideologies.
So yeah, we gotta liquidate the bourgeoisie either through proletarianization or other means if we ever want a spontaneously organized worker's democracy to form.
The democracy of the democratic workplaces and apartments is succdem democracy. So yes, these things are very likely to happen.
Don't like it? :vote: for a different elected representative in four years time and hope he'll be different despite coming from the same pool of sociopathic nerds as your current one.
It's absolutely milquetoast Succdem (or, really, DemSoc by modern standards) but it's not nothing, look at Red Vienna for an example of this type of reformism that was actually taken seriously and was a roaring success (until reaction murdered them all in the 30s).
Of course if the Vaushites run it it'll be a hellhole of the Sociopathic nerds. But they couldn't run a charity BBQ let alone a workers state.
I'm all for doing all the reforms you can but a thing like Red Vienna was only possible because a socialist revolution was a likely alternative. Today we have nothing to scare the bourgeoisie into accepting reforms.
The best possible outcome of a bourgeois democracy is that it fails so spectacularly at organising itself that workers are forced to organize as a result.
But that never happens because industrial capitalists are actually really good at organizing labor through exploitation that if they're allowed to continue to exist they'll subsume the failed state and institute feudalistic or fascist ideologies.
So yeah, we gotta liquidate the bourgeoisie either through proletarianization or other means if we ever want a spontaneously organized worker's democracy to form.