• brain_in_a_box [he/him]
    ·
    1 year ago

    When 99.9% of people who unironically use the word tankie, and think that 'fascist' means 'anything I don't like', also fiercely oppose Donbas independence, and when the one I'm talking to is also refusing to just give a clear answer, I'm not about to say I'm in the wrong for asking some clarifying questions.

    Also, why doesn't it give Russia the right to invade? Was it wrong for the allies to invade Germany proper during WW2?

    • CatholicSocialist@lemmy.ml
      ·
      1 year ago

      when the one I’m talking to is also refusing to just give a clear answer

      I very clearly said I supported their independence, but okay.

      Also, why doesn’t it give Russia the right to invade?

      So let me get this straight, you support civilians being massacred and innocent lives being lost? You really think Ukraine is on the same level of Nazi fucking Germany? Honestly I wouldn't even much of a problem if they just invaded Donbas but they're invading the whole fucking country and causing so much death and destruction. How is that justified? How can you call yourself anti-war and anti-imperialism and justify a brutal invasion? Some true colors being shown...

      • TheLepidopterists [he/him]
        ·
        1 year ago

        I very clearly said I supported their independence, but okay.

        But you are clearly being deceitful, just in this comment you basically admit that you don't actually support their independence.

        Look:

        Honestly I wouldn't even much of a problem if they just invaded Donbas

        The DPR and LPR invited Russia. How could they have "just invaded Donbas."

        Please explain

        A) The Donbas isn't really independent and you consider it Ukrainian property. (Surely not, you insist that this isn't the case) B) You consider soldiers who are in a foreign country to be invaders regardless of the relationship of the two states? (Can't be this or the US is invading half the planet right this second, including Taiwan) C) ???

        Please enlighten us.

        This isn't even getting into the point that multiple people made that you've ignored for half an hour, that once you're in a war with someone who wants to conquer you, sending your soldiers into their territory isn't an act of aggression, otherwise the US and the Soviets aggressed against the Nazis, which only an actual Nazi would claim.

        (To be clear, I don't think you're a Nazi, just an intellectually dishonest liberal).

      • panopticon [comrade/them]
        ·
        edit-2
        1 year ago

        you support civilians being massacred and innocent lives being lost?

        no, this was why the people's republics of donetsk and luhansk invited military aid, and was the cause behind the Minsk agreements as well as Russia recognizing the Donbas republics

      • brain_in_a_box [he/him]
        ·
        1 year ago

        I very clearly said I supported their independence, but okay.

        You then added a lot of seeming qualifiers.

        So let me get this straight, you support civilians being massacred and innocent lives being lost?

        Please show me where I said this.

        You really think Ukraine is on the same level of Nazi fucking Germany?

        Please show me where I said this.

        How can you call yourself anti-war and anti-imperialism

        Please show me where I said this.

        Some true colors being shown...

        The true colours of yourself, having to lie about me to make your point.