We're a radically pro-trans community. A purge of transphobes near the beginning was a formative moment for our community. We're radically welcoming of trans folks, so a lot of trans folks post here.
Also trans folks are disproportionately leftist (for a good reason, liberation for trans folks cannot come through capitalism), the idea that "tankies" would be majority "he/him neckbeards" is silly, if not actually outright transphobic.
trans folks are disproportionately leftist for a good reason
I said "tankies," not leftists. I'm sure most trans people are democratic socialists, anarchists, or non-authoritarian communists. I have a hard time believing a lot of you guys aren't disinformation bots.
The way "tankie" is used today it just means communist who has actually read communist theory and understands the nature of imperialism and applies it correctly to the current geopolitical situation in the world.
Solipsism and paranoia win the day in your brain yet again. People can't possibly earnestly have these opinions, because I'm not used to them, must be bots. Doesnt matter that they have three years of post history where they talk about innocuous stuff that has nothing to do with Russia and china. Thats just part of the act. And the fact that you think the pronoun tags make it MORE likely that we're bots is even more laughable.
Its really fucking depressing seeing how effective the "bot" propaganda has been.
At this point I don't think you're a bot but it's pretty obvious many of you are. The fact any and every comment gets 10+ upvotes in 15 minutes is unnatural for a site like this. There should be some comments with under 5 upvotes but I NEVER see hexbear comments get under that.
I have a hard time believing any community is that gender diverse.
The fact any and every comment gets 10+ upvotes in 15 minutes is unnatural for a site like this. There should be some comments with under 5 upvotes but I NEVER see hexbear comments get under that.
What can I say, we're a united front when it comes to arguing with liberals. Honestly, we didnt really see upvote totals as high as these before federation, which I think is a combination of the fact that we're, like I said, united in the face of these issues, and also the fact that some people in other instances agree with us. We care about each other and communist is a collectivist ideology. There's also a lot of us. And trust me, if you believe I"M not a bot then I can tell you that in the three years before federation noone here stuck me as not being a genuine human being. Other than the bit accounts and like the like, two actual bots we made for specific purposes.
I have a hard time believing any community is that gender diverse.
Damn, thats weird because every community I'm a part of is gender diverse. Even not explictly leftist ones, like I'm in a discord server for a streamer called Barry and like half the server is trans or nonbinary. I'm pretty used to interacting with trans and enby people in my life at this point. Have a fair few of them in my life offline as well. This seems like a you problem.
If you're questioning whether we're real people you can literally just look through all the posts on hexbear. Our entire history is right there for anyone interested.
What a beautiful brain you have you think anyone has been running a website full of bots for three years in the hope that one day Reddit might implode and they can be used to trick some lost redditors.
You're talking about one of the oldest lemmy instances, the most active established instance, and the instance with highest per capita activity, at a time when activity has suddenly become higher than ever because suddenly there are a bunch of redditors saying awful shit all over our feeds and we can go dunk on them without needing to bother with accounts on different sites for the first time in over three years.
You're also vastly overestimating what bots require and do: all we have to do is look at the largest and most sophisticated botnets - the CIA/State Department astroturfing botnets - to see how even the laziest and crudest copy/pasta spam is all it takes to completely dominate and drown out opposition. Literally no one needs to be sneaky, just yell the exact same verbatim press release quote over and over from ten thousand firstnamelastname12345 accounts with stock photo profile pics and you control the conversation completely and no one cares if you get caught out, like the CIA/State Department bots constantly do.
You're also claiming that the instance was built up with chatbots more sophisticated than anything there is today - and all of those still-not-coherent most-sophisticated AIs are extremely expensive to run - starting at a time when the most advanced language generating AI was GPT-2, which was only a step or so above old markov chain babbling. You can literally go and look at the ancient post history yourself.
I would believe you, but it's very possible you're a bot and everything you just said is an AI trained to say this in order to make people reduce their doubts about your user authenticity.
Or you could go and look at the three years of post history the community has, which notably does not revolve around some herculean effort to gaslight a tiny handful of people from sites that did not exist for 90% of hexbear's existence and that no one had any realistic expectation would ever exist.
The entire theory rests on the idea that [insert bad country] had LLMs that were five years ahead of the curve and the supercomputers to run them, and this was devoted to generating massive amounts of content on the speculation that maybe someday it would provide legitimization in a fringe internet community, instead of using that massive technological and material advantage to spam as hard as possible with infinite free burner accounts on mainstream social media sites.
The entire theory rests on the idea that [insert bad country] had LLMs that were five years ahead of the curve and the supercomputers to run them, and this was devoted to generating massive amounts of content on the speculation that maybe someday it would provide legitimization in a fringe internet community, instead of using that massive technological and material advantage to spam as hard as possible with infinite free burner accounts on mainstream social media sites.
LOL try to be a little more realistic of a bot, no human talks like.
Through various accounts I gave been on hexbear since the beginning. I have watched the community grow from a handful of displaced Redditors, to the vibrant community it is today. I can guarantee none of them are bots.
You can't possibly comprehend that views different to the mainstream have such large support so you've convinced yourself that everyone you disagree with is a bot.
I wish I could do that.
When I disagree with people, I have to consider their views.
You just post "bot lol." And get on with your day.
You could just, I don't know, browse my posting history and see the very human things I've posted.
I've got two years of stuff on this account.
Some shitposts, some sincere.
You on the other hand have been on this site, what, nine hours. During that time you have mostly posted extremely similar comments about how everyone else must be foreign bots.
If you really thought they person you were talking too was an AI, you wouldn't be trying these snarky jabs. What, you think you're going to hurt a computers feelings?
So you're just gonna double down on the "actually my shadowy enemies are both impossibly more technologically advanced than the imperial core, but also too stupid to use that advantage and instead waste massive amounts of effort specifically in preparation to gaslight me, the main character, due to their impossible prescience that one day I, the main character, would be using a fringe social media website in the middle of the night, prescience that is literally only used for that one purpose and that purpose alone because it so import to trick me, the main character," theory then?
Congratulations, you've successfully gaslit yourself into defining away everyone who disagrees with you as a "bot" and now find yourself haunted on all sides by your shadowy enemies.
And for everyone else: what do you think the odds are some of this unfortunate poster's brainworm infestation was seeded by literal CIA/State Department astroturfing bots? I give it about a 50/50 that that was an important infection vector, and a good 90% chance that they've nodded along while looking at CIA copypasta bot and uncritically believed whatever racist thing it was telling them to.
Remember that time it was leaked that Mi5 was running a bot farm out of a disused mill?
The British state had (has?) a literal propaganda mill.
For months leading up to the general election, you'd see the same comments in their tens, sometimes hundreds, popping up to defend Boris Johnson. And the same same copy-paste comments attacking Jeremy Corbyn.
Prove it or fuck off. We have 280 thousand posts and 3,67 million comments. Find something proving that we're bots. Shouldn't be too hard looking at our older posts given how Russia allegedly had to train us for 3 years to get us up to standard.
I wish I could go through life like this as well, damn. Never ever have to entertain the thought that maybe someone else's wacky opinion is sincere and has a solid foundation to it, but nah man, it's just a bot. Seems a lot less stressful.
More than half of our mods and admins are trans or enby and most of the rest are some other flavour of queer, about a quarter to a third or so of the user base is trans or enby iirc based on the poll we did on the demographics of the user base a year or so ago, I'm trans, the person you're speaking to is an enby I believe, about half of the people dunking on you are trans/enby and almost all are queer because hexbear is radically anti discrimination and routinely cyberbullies bigots
We're literally the largest explicitly queer instance on Lemmy except blahaj.zone
quite literally no. I'm a trans person and find hexbear to be one of the most radically accepting of any online space I've ever encountered next to purely trans ones. in some cases moreso because we ban truscum.
I've met many liberal politicians, activists, and organizers in my life. I've been to many polling places dominated by liberals. This is absolutely not true and a weird thing to say - tons of women and Black people are present. Liberalism is a white supremacy upholding system, but it's also the only option many marginalized people believe they have because of how closed off political horizons are in the US. For careerists, it gives an opportunity to be a black face in a high place.
No, that is true, even if it is less directly disqualifying of the specific political tendencies, and the closing of practical horizons of American politics meant that there is a vast demobilization of political action. So, mostly because voting and engagement with mainstream politics is highly correlated with several axes of privilege, white people vote more than non-white, wealthy vote more than poor, etc. So, most mainstream politics and all electoral positions over-represents white middle-to-upper class. There is less of a gender gap on the face of it for parties than one would think because there are a lot of white and women from conservative areas that vote Republican. But there is also a boomerang effect of people that are privileged enough to not suffer ill effects of failure of sabotaged progressive movements such as the Black Panthers and Jesse Jackson's Rainbow Coalition are more likely to vote to the left of the Democratic Party. Because you could get some minor pork-barrel spending if you support the establishment over progressive candidate that will just be crushed by the machine or fizzle out due to internal fractures and more minor sabotage.
So, yes they are. Maybe that is 90% of electoral politics, but it is true that Soc-Dems are disproportionately white men. Though that is more of mainstream politics over-representing privilege on many axes. And also if it is divorced from daily struggle and immediate issues (as mainstream politics works to alienate us from), then politics becomes horse-race stuff for nerds.
being a bot is when you have pronouns and the more pronouns you have the more Russian you are
I have "any". So do i have the most pronouns or the least?
Yes
Am superbot
he/him er/ihm он/его él
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We're a radically pro-trans community. A purge of transphobes near the beginning was a formative moment for our community. We're radically welcoming of trans folks, so a lot of trans folks post here.
Also trans folks are disproportionately leftist (for a good reason, liberation for trans folks cannot come through capitalism), the idea that "tankies" would be majority "he/him neckbeards" is silly, if not actually outright transphobic.
I said "tankies," not leftists. I'm sure most trans people are democratic socialists, anarchists, or non-authoritarian communists. I have a hard time believing a lot of you guys aren't disinformation bots.
The way "tankie" is used today it just means communist who has actually read communist theory and understands the nature of imperialism and applies it correctly to the current geopolitical situation in the world.
Solipsism and paranoia win the day in your brain yet again. People can't possibly earnestly have these opinions, because I'm not used to them, must be bots. Doesnt matter that they have three years of post history where they talk about innocuous stuff that has nothing to do with Russia and china. Thats just part of the act. And the fact that you think the pronoun tags make it MORE likely that we're bots is even more laughable.
Its really fucking depressing seeing how effective the "bot" propaganda has been.
At this point I don't think you're a bot but it's pretty obvious many of you are. The fact any and every comment gets 10+ upvotes in 15 minutes is unnatural for a site like this. There should be some comments with under 5 upvotes but I NEVER see hexbear comments get under that.
I have a hard time believing any community is that gender diverse.
What can I say, we're a united front when it comes to arguing with liberals. Honestly, we didnt really see upvote totals as high as these before federation, which I think is a combination of the fact that we're, like I said, united in the face of these issues, and also the fact that some people in other instances agree with us. We care about each other and communist is a collectivist ideology. There's also a lot of us. And trust me, if you believe I"M not a bot then I can tell you that in the three years before federation noone here stuck me as not being a genuine human being. Other than the bit accounts and like the like, two actual bots we made for specific purposes.
Damn, thats weird because every community I'm a part of is gender diverse. Even not explictly leftist ones, like I'm in a discord server for a streamer called Barry and like half the server is trans or nonbinary. I'm pretty used to interacting with trans and enby people in my life at this point. Have a fair few of them in my life offline as well. This seems like a you problem.
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Test running the bots + making it seem more realistic is definitely feasible.
for three years? for something as irrelevant as lemmy??
They're on every corner of the internet buddy, fake accounts are dirt cheap to run especially in Russia.
Or, maybe, just maybe - and I know it's hard for some one like you to believe - there are just people out there who disagree with you.
If you're questioning whether we're real people you can literally just look through all the posts on hexbear. Our entire history is right there for anyone interested.
What a beautiful brain you have you think anyone has been running a website full of bots for three years in the hope that one day Reddit might implode and they can be used to trick some lost redditors.
also lmao at the upvote thing, you wish you had a community even remotely as close as ours
We love our comrades don't we folks?
You're talking about one of the oldest lemmy instances, the most active established instance, and the instance with highest per capita activity, at a time when activity has suddenly become higher than ever because suddenly there are a bunch of redditors saying awful shit all over our feeds and we can go dunk on them without needing to bother with accounts on different sites for the first time in over three years.
You're also vastly overestimating what bots require and do: all we have to do is look at the largest and most sophisticated botnets - the CIA/State Department astroturfing botnets - to see how even the laziest and crudest copy/pasta spam is all it takes to completely dominate and drown out opposition. Literally no one needs to be sneaky, just yell the exact same verbatim press release quote over and over from ten thousand firstnamelastname12345 accounts with stock photo profile pics and you control the conversation completely and no one cares if you get caught out, like the CIA/State Department bots constantly do.
You're also claiming that the instance was built up with chatbots more sophisticated than anything there is today - and all of those still-not-coherent most-sophisticated AIs are extremely expensive to run - starting at a time when the most advanced language generating AI was GPT-2, which was only a step or so above old markov chain babbling. You can literally go and look at the ancient post history yourself.
I would believe you, but it's very possible you're a bot and everything you just said is an AI trained to say this in order to make people reduce their doubts about your user authenticity.
everyone on the internet is a bot except for you
everyone on the internet is a bot except for you
Or you could go and look at the three years of post history the community has, which notably does not revolve around some herculean effort to gaslight a tiny handful of people from sites that did not exist for 90% of hexbear's existence and that no one had any realistic expectation would ever exist.
The entire theory rests on the idea that [insert bad country] had LLMs that were five years ahead of the curve and the supercomputers to run them, and this was devoted to generating massive amounts of content on the speculation that maybe someday it would provide legitimization in a fringe internet community, instead of using that massive technological and material advantage to spam as hard as possible with infinite free burner accounts on mainstream social media sites.
LOL try to be a little more realistic of a bot, no human talks like.
started off by dehumanizing us for our pronouns and now you're dehumanizing us for the way we talk. Truly a shining example of liberal tolerance
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"how is saying that you aren't human dehumanizing"
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Whatever, maybe I'm wrong and it's only 40% bots, there' still obviously a lot of them. You're like a pack of wolves on anyone you consider "liberal."
Through various accounts I gave been on hexbear since the beginning. I have watched the community grow from a handful of displaced Redditors, to the vibrant community it is today. I can guarantee none of them are bots.
this is amber bot erasure
Didn't an update break the bots on hexbear?
it's back as of yesterday
This sounds like it could be written by ChatGPT LMFAOO
This is all you have isn't it?
You can't possibly comprehend that views different to the mainstream have such large support so you've convinced yourself that everyone you disagree with is a bot.
I wish I could do that.
When I disagree with people, I have to consider their views.
You just post "bot lol." And get on with your day.
Prove you're real.
You could just, I don't know, browse my posting history and see the very human things I've posted.
I've got two years of stuff on this account.
Some shitposts, some sincere.
You on the other hand have been on this site, what, nine hours. During that time you have mostly posted extremely similar comments about how everyone else must be foreign bots.
Prove your own humanity.
I owe you nothing tankie.
I'm an anarchist you fucking spanner.
Keeping tell yourself that.
I don’t know why anyone is still bothering to reply to this very obvious CIA bot.
You do really have nothing.
"Everyone who disagrees with me is a bot or a tankie.
I, the world's most special boy, can never be wrong. It must be an evil plot by the socialists."
This is what you sound like and it's embarrassing.
I don’t know why anyone is still bothering to reply to this very obvious CIA bot.
I don’t know why anyone is still bothering to reply to this very obvious CIA bot.
Wow, you can tell your numbers are reliable by the way you go "whatever, cut them by 30 percent."
I never said I knew it all, it's just an estimation based on common sense.
Yeah, I can see it was a real educated guess
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Why do liberals always bring out the homophobia when they get angry?
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Being bisexual doesn't give you a license to be homophobic.
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Least homophobic liberal
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Anymore blatant homophobia you want to get out of your system?
I am a bisexual. Calling a QUEER person homophobic makes 0 sense.
Why not?
You go around calling black people racist?
If they're being racist, why wouldn't I?
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I don’t know why anyone is still bothering to reply to this very obvious CIA bot.
In case you’re open-minded enough to be less bigoted:
https://www.scarymommy.com/stop-using-these-homophobic-transphobic-phrases
there are plenty of self-hating queer people. knock it off with the homophobia.
I don’t know why anyone is still bothering to reply to this very obvious CIA bot.
You said the same thing verbatim twice. OBVIOUSLY a bot account, everyone.
I don’t know why anyone is still bothering to reply to this very obvious CIA bot.
I don’t know why anyone is still bothering to reply to this very obvious CIA bot.
I don’t know why anyone is still bothering to reply to this very obvious CIA bot.
If you really thought they person you were talking too was an AI, you wouldn't be trying these snarky jabs. What, you think you're going to hurt a computers feelings?
Humans will read my comments too.
Yeah, and see that you clearly don't actually think you're arguing with an AI.
I think it's probably about 80% bots 30% humans on hexbear.
Real scientific methodology you have there.
I mean 70 it was an obvious mistake asshole.
I didn't even notice the typo.
80% skill issue, 30% mistake
you didn't know about us until a week ago, but through the power of vibes based analysis you were able to determine this
such cutting and incisive political analysis
So you're just gonna double down on the "actually my shadowy enemies are both impossibly more technologically advanced than the imperial core, but also too stupid to use that advantage and instead waste massive amounts of effort specifically in preparation to gaslight me, the main character, due to their impossible prescience that one day I, the main character, would be using a fringe social media website in the middle of the night, prescience that is literally only used for that one purpose and that purpose alone because it so import to trick me, the main character," theory then?
Buddy the Russians have tens of millions of bots on every site they're not just trying to get me.
The chatbots I'm seeing from you guys aren't even all that realistic.
Congratulations, you've successfully gaslit yourself into defining away everyone who disagrees with you as a "bot" and now find yourself haunted on all sides by your shadowy enemies.
And for everyone else: what do you think the odds are some of this unfortunate poster's brainworm infestation was seeded by literal CIA/State Department astroturfing bots? I give it about a 50/50 that that was an important infection vector, and a good 90% chance that they've nodded along while looking at CIA copypasta bot and uncritically believed whatever racist thing it was telling them to.
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Remember that time it was leaked that Mi5 was running a bot farm out of a disused mill?
The British state had (has?) a literal propaganda mill.
For months leading up to the general election, you'd see the same comments in their tens, sometimes hundreds, popping up to defend Boris Johnson. And the same same copy-paste comments attacking Jeremy Corbyn.
You caught us, we are all
Are these Russians in the room with us right now?
Да. Здравствуйте!
Prove it or fuck off. We have 280 thousand posts and 3,67 million comments. Find something proving that we're bots. Shouldn't be too hard looking at our older posts given how Russia allegedly had to train us for 3 years to get us up to standard.
I wish I could go through life like this as well, damn. Never ever have to entertain the thought that maybe someone else's wacky opinion is sincere and has a solid foundation to it, but nah man, it's just a bot. Seems a lot less stressful.
your worldview is 1) dehumanizing and 2) utterly non-falsifiable. treat people like people.
More than half of our mods and admins are trans or enby and most of the rest are some other flavour of queer, about a quarter to a third or so of the user base is trans or enby iirc based on the poll we did on the demographics of the user base a year or so ago, I'm trans, the person you're speaking to is an enby I believe, about half of the people dunking on you are trans/enby and almost all are queer because hexbear is radically anti discrimination and routinely cyberbullies bigots
We're literally the largest explicitly queer instance on Lemmy except blahaj.zone
quite literally no. I'm a trans person and find hexbear to be one of the most radically accepting of any online space I've ever encountered next to purely trans ones. in some cases moreso because we ban truscum.
You're having a hard time because you're realizing you're closer to being a bot than we are.
why don't you use this as a learning opportunity to reconsider your beliefs about tankies?
Liberal and Soc-Dem spaces are mostly white male neckbeards, so extrapolating further, leftists must be 200% he/him neckbeards.
I've met many liberal politicians, activists, and organizers in my life. I've been to many polling places dominated by liberals. This is absolutely not true and a weird thing to say - tons of women and Black people are present. Liberalism is a white supremacy upholding system, but it's also the only option many marginalized people believe they have because of how closed off political horizons are in the US. For careerists, it gives an opportunity to be a black face in a high place.
Soc Dem spaces, yeah, ime, this is correct.
No they aren't tf. Maybe on reddit but that's 90% of reddit.
No, that is true, even if it is less directly disqualifying of the specific political tendencies, and the closing of practical horizons of American politics meant that there is a vast demobilization of political action. So, mostly because voting and engagement with mainstream politics is highly correlated with several axes of privilege, white people vote more than non-white, wealthy vote more than poor, etc. So, most mainstream politics and all electoral positions over-represents white middle-to-upper class. There is less of a gender gap on the face of it for parties than one would think because there are a lot of white and women from conservative areas that vote Republican. But there is also a boomerang effect of people that are privileged enough to not suffer ill effects of failure of sabotaged progressive movements such as the Black Panthers and Jesse Jackson's Rainbow Coalition are more likely to vote to the left of the Democratic Party. Because you could get some minor pork-barrel spending if you support the establishment over progressive candidate that will just be crushed by the machine or fizzle out due to internal fractures and more minor sabotage.
So, yes they are. Maybe that is 90% of electoral politics, but it is true that Soc-Dems are disproportionately white men. Though that is more of mainstream politics over-representing privilege on many axes. And also if it is divorced from daily struggle and immediate issues (as mainstream politics works to alienate us from), then politics becomes horse-race stuff for nerds.
Blah blah blah I don't see any proof so I'm not reading this.
the fact that you're from the midwest already told us you can barely read. no child left behind ass.
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