Which we should see as an excellent radicalization and growth opportunity!
It can be exhausting explaining ourselves again and again, always met with the same accusations and assumptions born from the mythos spun by our enemies.
However, we must remember these people are people, and many people change their minds given enough information, delivered with firm respect. For every belligerent person who appears like they wouldn't change their mind for anything, there are 10 people quietly lurking who are more on-the-fence. Even those who regurgitate insults and contempt may change their mind when the stars align!
These people are not our enemies, they are victims to the greatest campaign of dishonesty in human history! It is our duty to draw out the poison and deliver the medicine!
I know many comrades here have very difficult lives and do not have the patience or energy to deal with such people. Please do not exhaust yourself interacting with liberals, and allow comrades with more energy to deal with them.
Radicalizing online is not the end-all be-all, but at this point in the psychological war for those within the Anglosphere, every victory is invaluable!!!
That’s where I disagree. Liberals fund the police and the military, which is the main reason much of the world is enslaved and unable to fight climate change. So long as anyone is making excuses for this shit, they are most certainly the enemy of history. That being said, people can change. I know that because I did.
Liberalism as an entity is absolutely our enemy. I just mean individual liberals.
I believe this war will continue to heat up, and I just prefer to convert enemies in order to lessen their ranks, while we still can.
I have never regretted extending humanity and compassion to my enemies, and trying instead to see them as a victim of brainwashing, which they are.
Don't forget, brainwashing is a co-opted term, and you're using the co-opted version. Brain washing is literally the act of washing the brain from impurities and toxins. This is what you are describing as your preferred course of action, which is also the strategy of Mao and the PLA. They captured KMT soldiers and they washed their brains clean of anti-communist lies and showed them the truth. Once their brains were cleaned, the KMT soldiers saw that the correct course of action was joining the PLA.
Our rhetorical opponents are not brain washed, they are brain dirtied. They need to cleanse their minds of false beliefs, and our role in the process is to help them find and eliminate those false beliefs.
yeah the term brain wash is definitely too culturally maligned to be worth attempting to rehabilitate
Right. Liberalism is the enemy. But if someone isn't a member of the state, active agent of fascism or a capitalist then we should see them as temporarily embarrassed comrades.
I partially agree. Liberals in the ruling class are absolutely our enemy. As it currently stands, they are beyond reform.
However, many working class liberals are capable of change. I was an Obama fan boy up until about 2017. I remember reading a post on Twitter summarizing some of his worst policies. I was angry at first and dismissed it, but it did plant a seed that eventually allowed me to see I had been lied to by politicians and a media that I trusted (I shouldn't have, but still).
That being said, many of the types that come here and enthusiastically defend the status quo will likely never change.
I was radicalizing at around the same time as you, but my radicalization mostly came from interacting in person with Democratic activists and officials and realizing (with the help of communists) that if I actually cared about helping people, the Democratic Party was not on my side.
I agree. The current Democrat archetype of being smug, dismissive, and arrogant is an absolute nonstarter for any meaningful discussions. I've just given up on most people who act that way.
We all should never have trusted anything this evil country says, but do not be hard on yourself, it is the most powerful propaganda machine in the world it comes at you from every facet of your life it is reinforced by family, friends, entertainment media, news media, jobs, everything. Even many Global Southerners drink exported American koolaid.
It doesn't help that drinking a little of that koolaid can make life a whole lot easier. (In the short term, anyway – to any liberals reading, you won't believe how cosy life will be during the socialist construction phase – free healthcare, guaranteed housing, meaningful work, free education, libraries, parks, you name it. There's no such thing as poor socialism and that wealth will be your duty to create and share.)
The people are not our enemy. They have been hoodwinked by the enemy in order to work against their own self-interest.
While they are in this state of mind, they will oppose us, but the empty promises of their capitalist masters will eventually force them to realise that their only path forward is with us.
As long as they're standing across from me a member of the police, they are my enemy, even if they come around later, until that time they are my enemy.
Liberals are just that but politically. they are doing incredible damage, even unknowingly the damage has to be acknowledged
anyone that pays taxes funds the police and military
I have no meaningful control over how my taxes are spent precisely because liberals make it impossible for genuine democratic control over the government to exist.
yeah but american elections are rigged anyway
Also I'm pretty sure there would be an actual coup before they let you cut off the army's money completely
that's my point
Some of us would not object if the police and military were entirely defunded.
that wasn't my point