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Hexbear opinions: Claires as genuine socialists or mere crooks? Seems like a lot of people just boil them down to their distasteful tactics and nature, do they miss what seems like genuine motivation against the corpos or is it actually just self service?
Hard to tell with such adept liars, but Evrart's admission (if you want to take it as such) to Harry that his ultimate goal is to take everything from the capitalists of Revachol, always struck me as at least partially sincere.
Supposing that they are genuine socialists, that isn't going to automatically make them nice men. Quite the opposite, most major historical figures weren't nice people. Even heroes like Lenin and Stalin had hands that were far from clean; the Tiflis bank robbery is just one example of the kind of tactics they were known to resort to. I've heard the term "gangster socialism" used to facetiously describe the Bolsheviks' early activities. If you believe the Claires are true comrades, then they're also undoubtedly practicioners of gangster socialism par excellence.
The Claires are doing anything in their power to maintain their authority and that includes doing sketchy things as long as they're trying to survive. Anyone trying to achieve organized power in Revachol is going to be sketchy. So they are crooks, because being a crook is the only way to exist as a dominant force under Moralist rule. Evrart is utilitarian to a fault. If it works to keep the union in power, it's good.
Whether or not it's self-service, why should it matter? The union's taken the dock and they're genuinely organized.
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Hexbear opinions: Claires as genuine socialists or mere crooks? Seems like a lot of people just boil them down to their distasteful tactics and nature, do they miss what seems like genuine motivation against the corpos or is it actually just self service?
Hard to tell with such adept liars, but Evrart's admission (if you want to take it as such) to Harry that his ultimate goal is to take everything from the capitalists of Revachol, always struck me as at least partially sincere.
Supposing that they are genuine socialists, that isn't going to automatically make them nice men. Quite the opposite, most major historical figures weren't nice people. Even heroes like Lenin and Stalin had hands that were far from clean; the Tiflis bank robbery is just one example of the kind of tactics they were known to resort to. I've heard the term "gangster socialism" used to facetiously describe the Bolsheviks' early activities. If you believe the Claires are true comrades, then they're also undoubtedly practicioners of gangster socialism par excellence.
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The Claires are doing anything in their power to maintain their authority and that includes doing sketchy things as long as they're trying to survive. Anyone trying to achieve organized power in Revachol is going to be sketchy. So they are crooks, because being a crook is the only way to exist as a dominant force under Moralist rule. Evrart is utilitarian to a fault. If it works to keep the union in power, it's good.
Whether or not it's self-service, why should it matter? The union's taken the dock and they're genuinely organized.