Can anyone who speaks German fill us in on current talking points about this? Are any parties openly acknowledging the US bombing of the nordstream 2 pipeline and the effects it’s having on the German economy or is everyone just pretending that didn’t happen?
I speak German but i'll be completely honest, i barely even follow any German news anymore, it's just too infuriating and depressing. Literally everyone seems to be in complete denial and only preoccupied with the most irrelevant, minor local politics and mundane scandals while ignoring the big picture altogether. It's like they think that by pretending that it's still 2010 the house will stop burning down around them.
My partner really wanted to watch "the news" the other day for whatever reason so we watched the 2 minute Sunday morning Tagesschau. It sounded like the reddit popular feed, compressed into three boomer appropriate sound bites, and I got disproportionately frustrated.
Well at least it's short. My SO sometimes watches the Heute Show which is almost 45 min of insufferable, smug liberal "satire". I swear these comedy "news" shows are pound for pound ten times more effective propaganda brainwashing than consuming the same amount of mainstream media news. They pretend to be above partisan politics because they make some cheap jokes about "all sides" when they are in fact nothing but ideologically reinforcing the status quo. Half of the time all they do is ridicule anyone who is outside of the acceptable mainstream, plus a thousand different ways of saying "Putin bad, Russia bad".
I get roped in to watching Heute Show once in a while as well. Insufferable describes it well.. Like the tried and true The Daily Show format the comedy is used to make you take the opinion presented more seriously. It's really quite insidious.
They pretend to be above partisan politics because they make some cheap jokes about "all sides" when they are in fact nothing but ideologically reinforcing the status quo.
It's been a while since I watched it, but Oliver Welke (if it's still him) always struck me as supporting the SPD even if he made fun of it a lot.
Die Anstalt used to be good, but I haven't heard much good for the last 3 years from them and when I did occasionally tune in since, it was disappointing.
The effect on our economy is that energy got twice to thrice as expensive all of the sudden.
And yes, people pretend it didn't happen. Our government delivered a overspecific dementy when asked about their conclusions. Basically admitting that it was NATO.
Our government delivered a overspecific dementy when asked about their conclusions
Could you explain more or do you have a link to the statement I could try to run through google translate? I’m very curious to know how this information is being presented by the German government. This just feels like one of those historically important moments that gets a special blurb in a history textbook and I want to understand how everyone is responding to it
Nordstream 2 is fairly irrelevant to the current situation. It was bombed while it was already shut down and all that did was ensure that Germany can't buy gas from Russia in that way. Were all of the EU resume trading with Russia, then yes, Germany would be at a disadvantage.
The gas price hikes did do major damage at first, but it's classic old capitalist profiteering that fueled inflation and the sustained rise in prices.
Liberals act as if the malaise of German economy (it's not a dramatic collapse, but it's mostly chugging along and slowly worsening) is all Russia's fault, while the fascists and (the patsocs go "we should return to being friends with Russia to improve the economy".
Neither solution offers anything but a return to the status quo, even if it is unfortunately an easy answer. At the same time, the 🚦 government and the right wing opposition are all eager to restore capitalist growth via capitalist methods and are as usual at the mercy of the bourgeois' whims.
Can anyone who speaks German fill us in on current talking points about this? Are any parties openly acknowledging the US bombing of the nordstream 2 pipeline and the effects it’s having on the German economy or is everyone just pretending that didn’t happen?
I speak German but i'll be completely honest, i barely even follow any German news anymore, it's just too infuriating and depressing. Literally everyone seems to be in complete denial and only preoccupied with the most irrelevant, minor local politics and mundane scandals while ignoring the big picture altogether. It's like they think that by pretending that it's still 2010 the house will stop burning down around them.
Jup, pretty much this. The most absurd propaganda is on every channel.
My partner really wanted to watch "the news" the other day for whatever reason so we watched the 2 minute Sunday morning Tagesschau. It sounded like the reddit popular feed, compressed into three boomer appropriate sound bites, and I got disproportionately frustrated.
Well at least it's short. My SO sometimes watches the Heute Show which is almost 45 min of insufferable, smug liberal "satire". I swear these comedy "news" shows are pound for pound ten times more effective propaganda brainwashing than consuming the same amount of mainstream media news. They pretend to be above partisan politics because they make some cheap jokes about "all sides" when they are in fact nothing but ideologically reinforcing the status quo. Half of the time all they do is ridicule anyone who is outside of the acceptable mainstream, plus a thousand different ways of saying "Putin bad, Russia bad".
I get roped in to watching Heute Show once in a while as well. Insufferable describes it well.. Like the tried and true The Daily Show format the comedy is used to make you take the opinion presented more seriously. It's really quite insidious.
It's been a while since I watched it, but Oliver Welke (if it's still him) always struck me as supporting the SPD even if he made fun of it a lot.
Die Anstalt used to be good, but I haven't heard much good for the last 3 years from them and when I did occasionally tune in since, it was disappointing.
The effect on our economy is that energy got twice to thrice as expensive all of the sudden. And yes, people pretend it didn't happen. Our government delivered a overspecific dementy when asked about their conclusions. Basically admitting that it was NATO.
Could you explain more or do you have a link to the statement I could try to run through google translate? I’m very curious to know how this information is being presented by the German government. This just feels like one of those historically important moments that gets a special blurb in a history textbook and I want to understand how everyone is responding to it
Can't find it anymore T_T
Nordstream 2 is fairly irrelevant to the current situation. It was bombed while it was already shut down and all that did was ensure that Germany can't buy gas from Russia in that way. Were all of the EU resume trading with Russia, then yes, Germany would be at a disadvantage.
The gas price hikes did do major damage at first, but it's classic old capitalist profiteering that fueled inflation and the sustained rise in prices.
Liberals act as if the malaise of German economy (it's not a dramatic collapse, but it's mostly chugging along and slowly worsening) is all Russia's fault, while the fascists and (the patsocs go "we should return to being friends with Russia to improve the economy".
Neither solution offers anything but a return to the status quo, even if it is unfortunately an easy answer. At the same time, the 🚦 government and the right wing opposition are all eager to restore capitalist growth via capitalist methods and are as usual at the mercy of the bourgeois' whims.