• chaorace@lemmy.sdf.org
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      9 months ago

      So, more-or-less equally terrible or would you say that there's a rough ranking to it? Who's making it into the list of top 10 worst?

      • axont [she/her, comrade/them]
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        9 months ago

        You're asking who the best manager was at the factory that turns children into sausages. America itself is ontologically evil and no president can salvage or reform it.

        Abraham Lincoln is the closest a president came to being good, and even he was complicit in genocide. Every other president is equally terrible, on a scale of goofy evil to soullessly evil because the office of president is to administer a genocide machine. Jimmy Carter is one of the former presidents who seems aware that he's going to hell when he dies and is probably a little remorseful, but that doesn't excuse him at all. Theodore Roosevelt also seemed aware he was evil, but that might have just been his vanity.

        • chaorace@lemmy.sdf.org
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          9 months ago

          Fair enough, I suppose with 46 of them they all sort of blend together after a point. I too have a soft-spot for Lincoln... so I suppose it's some small consolation for me that we'll one day have a chance to meet each other in hell

          • ProxyTheAwesome [comrade/them]
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            9 months ago

            At least Lincoln killed some slavers, at the end of the day, so I gotta give him some points for that

          • commiewithoutorgans [he/him, comrade/them]
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            9 months ago

            Honestly just read Liberalism: a counter History. I lost my soft spot once I realized his philosophical underpinnings weren't any better, he just happened to be positioned in material reality in a way where shitty stuff had small good effects. Critical support was a good idea for him in that time, because he happened to represent a force aligned against the greatest oppressors of the most revolutionary class (the enslaved). But now that he already won, critical support means you can throw him away and realize it was only s tactical correct choice, not any good outside of that

      • anaesidemus [he/him]
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        9 months ago

        Lincoln least terrible, Trump funniest, Obama the most disappointing,

        • kristina [she/her]
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          9 months ago

          No Nixon is the least terrible, he had the conscience to resign. Also made the EPA and OSHA, ended Vietnam, created universal dialysis, and opened trade with China. Lincoln still presided over native genocide

          This is a half joke fyi

      • silent_water [she/her]
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        9 months ago

        I'd put Grant at least terrible -- he was still a genocidier but at least he tried to push through a real reformation in the South after the civil war. worst? I barely know where to start, there's so many good choices.