I've been speaking with other more informed communists and they've told me that none actually exist. Is this true?
China, Laos, and Vietnam: now notoriously capitalists. Workers work 12+ hours with no protection in horrible factory conditions. Suicide rates are so high that suicide nets are installed. The air is so polluted millions die from lung cancer, especially factory workers w/out basic masks. Corporations dominate
North Korea: Undemocratically ruled by the Kim dynasty. Jong un indulges lavishly at the expense of his citizens, ordering millions in fine wine and trips from Denis Rodman. They might be the most socialist though, as Juche seems to otherwise be democratic.
Cuba: Sanctions have taken a massive toll, but even taking that into account the country still has its own problems. They have massive food shortages and inventory probs and aren't self sufficient after 60+ years. Why couldn't they've use machinery imported from the Soviet Union to develop their agriculture and fishery? The Soviets supported them heavily. They seem to be incredibly mismanaged or corrupt
I didn't list a complaint. I'm just familiar with the fun that Westerners have with, for example, using the term "worship" when it is just as validly (arguably more valid given the lack of religious implications in general) translated as "respect" or "admire". Westerners are very gullible, you see, and love to think of themselves as superior to the Asian hordes, which includes constructing cartoonish ideas of designated enemy countries.
None of that list is inconvenient for me, lol. You seem to be talking to yourself and hyping yourself up because you think you have a slam dunk and in the process are failing to read or understand what I've written. Remember, my answer to your question of how I feel about them is that it makes me bored. Perhaps you should take a little more time to read what is written before claiming anyone is dodging, lol.
It looks like you're spamming this same question to others, seemingly without it being relevant to what they're talking about. Have you considered addressing anything I wrote in the comment you initially replied to? You didn't actually do that, you know.
In other words, you would have a problem with the country telling its people to worship a strong man, but you wouldn't have a problem with a strong man in general being put at the head of a state?
Do you believe the working class, in general, requires paternalism in order to correctly flourish?
Do you believe vocal criticism of a country's leader should be allowed or not?
"Strong man" is another thought-terminating cliche used to denigrate designated enemy countries, or at least ones at which Western chauvinism is to be directed. Do you believe in Iraqi WMDs and justifying the US war of aggression there? Because you sound like the people who said "they hate us for our freedom", and so on. The point I keep making is that a more critical and informed approach must be taken in order to understand these topics.
I reject the premise of your question.
I don't know what those things mean without a concrete grounding in real situations, like an example country. I've said this before, actually, and you didn't respond to it.
I think such questions serve to obfuscate rather than clarify precisely because they rely on abstractions into which hegemonic biases can be inserted.
Sure why not. Do you have any real questions about things?
That's great. Because you dodged the first two questions and only answered the third, can you tell me how the CCP, the North Korean dictatorship, and any other nominally socialist country that you want to include handles vocal criticism?
I haven't dodged any questions, lol. I'm being very direct with you. You may want to take a moment to ask whether you are projecting, as your pattern in this conversation has been to ignore basically everything I say and literally every question I've asked and to instead try to belabor the point you really want to make, thigh you're too afraid to state it directly. It's very clear that you want to stay in your comfort zone, which is apparently silly tropes about North Korea, and no realities or other humans you're talking to are gonna get in the way of that!
You might as well just talk to yourself, since it's only your voice you want to hear.
Nope you have shown yourself to be here in bad faith and I'm not going to explain such a large topic to you until you figure out how to be honest with me (and probably yourself). Or maybe you can pay me to tutor you - combative, ignorant students cost extra btw.
Before you reach for your crutch of a "dodge", remind yourself that at no point have I offered to do the thing you seem to feel entitled to, which is for me to answer all of your questions while you ignore everything I tell you. I'm not your parent or your teacher, I'm not obligated to share knowledge that you refuse to digest.
PS I've said basically nothing about the CPC. I would recommend that you figure out how to communicate around one topic before expanding them. You already can't keep track of what I've said about North Korea or>!!< democracy.
Stop being disingenuous. "I am personally offended and I refuse to answer your question" is a dodge, not a response.
You just said you were okay with vocal criticism of the government, so how about it? To what degree should people be allowed to vocally criticize their government?
lol, you think I'm offended? I'm really just bored. I've been giving you chance after chance to engage just in case, but it eventually gets tedious - and indicates that good faith is not something you respond to. You seem to engage much more directly with people in this thread that you think you have bothered. Ask yourself if that's a healthy thing to do.
It's funny that you haven't learned that I don't actually care about your attempts at goading, either. Refer to my previous response to your question.
And I've given you a chance for you to explain how you are okay with criticism of the government, but when it comes to North Korea and the CCP you have suddenly gotten quiet.
Do you want to walk back your statement, and say that you are against criticism of the government? That is probably more in line with your actual beliefs.
Consult my previous answer, as you seem to have had trouble reading it.
You never answered.
Oh I did, just not with the kind of answer you wanted. Poor baby.
You dodged the question so hard you would make a politician blush. If you're afraid of the questions, just say so.
You've got such Reddit brain that you think someone directly telling you no is a dodge, lol
What happens in the North Korean dictatorship when you criticize the strongman Kim Jong-Un? Can you point me to some vocal critics in that nation?
Yawn
Do you have anything better to say
you are bad at this
its a decent attempt ill give them that. They cited 2 sources!
from the CIA, so yeah its also really shit
You are bad at sex
who told you that true thing
Yawn
you are being a wall, read and internalize instead of bleat and bitch
How old was Stalin's wife
the ages of stalin's wives when he married was 22 for the first and 18 for the second
what kinda gotcha are you trying to pull?
Lida is who?
I just want to make fun of your gods, as you appear to be a cultist and not a leftist
Who the fuck is Lida
are you a moron who believes stalin married a preteen? Go ahead and show your ass, its the only thing you're capable of doing.
Tell me more about this Lida.
Is it okay if he doesn't marry her
you said wives, and now youve just made up a phantom that doesn't exist
are you going to cite the CIA? Maybe Mossad this time!
The story is that he had a kid with her in exile, not that they were ever married, moron
never has, never will, socialism hasn't had such a thing in its history. unless you change the definition to whatever you want.
no not if people like you are doing it. Make an actual criticism instead of being a chauvinist .
Interesting. Can you define the chauvinist you wish to censor?
like a specific type like some fucking pokemon? You are the Chauvinist I wish to censor, if you think I have a problem with censorship you're a funny fuckin toddler.
I understand you don't have a problem with censorship. You are right wing.
"only right wing censor people because thats what fits my pop culture view of politics"
What criticism of mine scares you so much that you want it silenced?
Scares me? You mean the debunked crap you've been spewing? Your only tactic since being shown to be a CIA parroting dronie has been the infantile method of calling everyone a bigoted nazi.
I honestly just get satisfaction from seeing libs and fascists thrown in prison. Also anyone who parrots CIA nonsense like you have.
Denounce the CIA citation and we'll talk.
"debunked"?
Okay... Then show me where it was debunked. And make sure you only reference sources that you would trust if I use them of a similar caliber.
Citing the CIA, an organization dedicated to destroying all communist projects since it was created, I feel debunks your korean thread immediately (due to it being the only source you provided besides one with no sources of its own)
Show any evidence for the Stalin 'kid wife' one, primary sources please. I need you to provide your proof first.
thats literally the only things you have in this thread.
A common conspiracy theorist tactic is confusing claims with evidence. They think that they can debunk things by simply making more claims about them.
That's what you're doing. If the document has been debunked, it must be debunked on its own terms.
Otherwise, you are saying the exact same thing as the Nazi who insists that the CIA cannot be trusted because it is run by Jews, and Jews are known to be tricksters since the beginning of time. Do better than the Nazis.
If you can.
Literally what you've done the whole thread. Give me a non CIA source.
Controlled by a CIA organization dead set on lying about communism, its debunked on everyones terms.
You must have an ideology made of glass if you react to everything with screaming that they're anti-semetic for doing the normal action of verifying sources
if you are so superior, manage to find an actual source.
God why am I arguing with this ideological child?
What sources do you trust?
Non CIA sources or Western Government sources on matters of communism.
Do you also distrust CCP state news, Vietnamese state news, Syrian state news, Russian state news, etc?
adding on to the other comment I replied to saying this
what the fuck does syrian news have to do with anything
the only one of those that is relevant in any way to the situation is the CPC (the proper translation, btw) state news and the vietnamese state news. Neither of these are terrorist organisations built to destroy an ideology, they are news ran by a government.
Now you think the South Korean organization is controlled by Americans? Why are you so racist
how is it racist when the SKorean project as a whole was built by the Americans and is directly controlled by america. This is in their own history and accessible documents. There isn't an argument.
And now you've moved to "You're also just racist for thinking the CIA doesn't work anywhere but white countries"
Coincidentally making a racist statement that only whites are capable spies
Okay fash
"fascism is when people disagree with me" - an idiot (you)