Like let's put aside socialism, morals, basic humanity. Why the fuck does the west support Israel to the degree it does? Like it only alienates basically every other potential partner in the ME. It can't effectively serve as a barracks state because who would we need that army to fight that wouldn't only make things worse? Their economy is basically propped up by the USA. Yes they serve as a platform for weapons and systems testing, but they don't need a complete blank cheque too it. Like I don't get this logic. Cut em a check and pull bibi's leash and wash your hands of it. Like the logic of "Unconditional 110% support" is just fuckin nuts. Yeah sure a good bit of it us ideology, but there has to be some matrierial calculus in there somewhere. They are basically sacrificing the baby Ukraine over this.

  • Dolores [love/loves]
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    11 months ago

    the logic of "Unconditional 110% support" is just fuckin nuts

    i mean it is in rhetoric but it might not be matched in deed. if Iran actually went in on Israel i'm flipping a coin whether the US sticks with em. the US hasn't pulled the curtain and directly intervened in any israeli war yet.

    but i think you've got the 'barracks' equation backwards. the US doesn't want Israel for bodies to invade other places, they want israel to absorb the damage and fallout from opposition to US policy. all the people attacking and opposing israel very much want to strike the US, but Israel's right there and always making provocations, so its first on the list.

    • combat_brandonism [they/them]
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      11 months ago

      the US hasn't pulled the curtain and directly intervened in any israeli war yet.

      didn't we park a bunch of carriers in the east mediterranean in the six day war that caused the anti-colonial forces to back off? like they might not be listed in the wikipedia as belligerents but IMO it counts

      • Dolores [love/loves]
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        11 months ago

        apparently it's alleged the US directly participated, but which anti-colonial forces were deterred? i thought all the regional players were involved and pretty roundly defeated. were there reserves that might've reversed it that the US prevented from being committed?

        • combat_brandonism [they/them]
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          11 months ago

          my understanding is that 'roundly defeated' is thanks to us power projection but it's been a long time since I took a class on this so I don't remember the details