https://nitter.net/PeterSinger/status/1722440246972018857

No, the art does not depict bestiality, don't worry.

  • @CrushKillDestroySwag
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    8 months ago

    I don't think you do, but I think it's a contradiction to be sure. I'll say that I think it's fine to eat animals, but also I think it's not okay to have sex with them, and somewhere in between those two beliefs is artificial insemination of pigs and in practical terms that's a practice that just makes me shrug, so I suppose that my belief that it's not okay to have sex with animals is weaker than my belief that it's fine to eat them.

    • robot_dog_with_gun [they/them]
      hexbear
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      8 months ago

      i have only ever heard vegans extend the definition of bestiality to include actions that are not for the sexual gratification of the person.

        • robot_dog_with_gun [they/them]
          hexbear
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          8 months ago

          because your use of terminology is subcultural and the rest of us don't think it applies to the situation

          • booty [he/him]
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            8 months ago

            Let's back up to square one. Is it wrong to perform sex acts on a non-human animal? If so, why? You're talking too abstractly so I'd really like to just get something concrete to discuss with.

            • robot_dog_with_gun [they/them]
              hexbear
              5
              8 months ago

              i don't think that's square one, i think square one is further back.

              Is a doctor (or medical technician or whatever job title idc) doing the last step of IVF performing a sex act on or with the patient? the adult patient consents of course, but i don't think anyone thinks a doctor with a "turkey baster" is doing a sex act. I would say "preforming sex acts on..." isn't applicable to animal husbandry in the way i understand all those words.

              i'm not trying to debate bro here, it's just not possible to have a conversation if we think words mean different things... which gets back to my previous point about vegans using a wider "bestiality" than the rest of us, apparently including Kinsey.

              • booty [he/him]
                hexbear
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                8 months ago

                i'm not trying to debate bro here

                And yet instead of answering the question you went off on a tangent about IVF.

                I didn't ask you your definition of sex act or say anything about doctors or animal husbandry. The question is VERY simple. Is it, or is it not, wrong to perform sex acts on a non-human animal?

                • robot_dog_with_gun [they/them]
                  hexbear
                  2
                  8 months ago

                  I didn't ask you your definition of sex act or say anything about doctors or animal husbandry. The question is VERY simple. Is it, or is it not, wrong to perform sex acts on a non-human animal?

                  there's no point in my answering your question if we don't agree what counts as a sex act. we've already established that vegans have a broader meaning of bestiality than the rest of us so now we need to be careful about shit like whether a grill is a barbecue or a broiler.

                  I say "no" then you say smuglord artificial insemination is a sex act.

                  • booty [he/him]
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                    8 months ago

                    I say "no" then you say artificial insemination is a sex act.

                    See, this is the debate bro thing I'm talking about. You're trying to "win" the argument by not "falling for my trap." But there's no trap. You're completely off the mark about where I was going with this, and you'll never find out because you're scared of falling for it. Because to you, "winning" the debate is way more important than actually having a discussion. That's why you were speaking in abstracts like I pointed out when I first replied to you, because if you say anything concrete then there's a possibility for people to question your logic and pose hard questions that you aren't sure how to answer.

              • booty [he/him]
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                8 months ago

                if we are going to equate animals and humans in your logic...

                What? When did I do that? When did I even state any logic at all? I asked someone to explain their logic.

                arguing there is no material reason for being against bestiality

                I didn't argue anything. I asked someone else to explain the reason that they are against that thing, so that I can better understand their position.