• voight [he/him, any]
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    11 months ago

    John McCain and Lindsay Graham told neo nazis to go cement the damage done by the 2014 coup and they went and electrocuted babushkas through the kidneys. They build grandmas different in Donetsk so she kept on fighting. Online Ukraine supporters don't have it in them. I'm surprised you haven't moved back to trashing 🇻🇪

    https://sputnikglobe.com/20230721/the-truth-about-ukrainian-war-crimes-against-donbass-civilians-1112031958.html

    https://thegrayzone.com/2023/12/11/ukrainian-maidan-massacre-false-flag/

    https://covertactionmagazine.com/2023/07/17/the-lord-of-the-underworld-meet-the-paratrooper-from-north-carolina-who-orchestrated-the-war-in-ukraine/

    https://covertactionmagazine.com/2023/02/03/how-a-network-of-nazi-propagandists-helped-lay-the-groundwork-for-the-war-in-ukraine/

    https://mronline.org/2022/06/13/how-monsters-who-beat-jews-to-death-in-1944-became-americas-favorite-freedom-fighters-in-1945/

    • ex10n@lemm.ee
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      11 months ago

      Care to provide corroborating evidence to back these articles? They read like pure propaganda and fail to cite claims.

      • voight [he/him, any]
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        11 months ago

        I'm sorry, is there something about hyperlinks which confuses you?

        You need to have a little number linking to a footnote, or else it doesn't count lmfao

        • ex10n@lemm.ee
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          11 months ago

          Nothing wrong with hyperlinks, however a footnote section makes for a better format. Many of these hyperlinks don't even relate to the word that was linked. It just makes it look as if something backs the claim being made. They're littered everywhere and the few I clicked, didn't have much relevance. Footnotes make it easier to see where each stems from and allow the reader to understand potential bias easier. Care to link to peer reviewed academic articles on one of the subjects? I'd be glad to dig in, but so far I'm reading propaganda sprinkled with a few true statements to produce a sense of legitimacy. It's misinformation campaign 101.

          • voight [he/him, any]
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            11 months ago

            Hm, very scintillating, old sport! There's just one problem. You're making unverified claims to me!

            I will require each hyperlink that you consider misleading, along with the passage where it is found.

            Because I recall each and every one was related to the passage it was found in.

            There are no peer reviewed scientific papers about the Maidan, you complete dolt. It's a color revolution, not a pond of tadpoles.

            Instead what we have are Ukrainian sources you have trusted before admitting what their enemies already told them, far too late.

            Get to work!

            • ex10n@lemm.ee
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              11 months ago

              I won't entertain bad faith arguments, but I'd recommend you read up more on the Maidan to gain some historical context. You'll likely make some alterations to your opinion, and shatter bits of your worldview. Also there's plenty of peer reviewed academic papers on the Maidan, e.g. https://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctt1zkjxq0.11

              • voight [he/him, any]
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                11 months ago

                Lol you think a social science paper is the same as a study. You're such a specious thinker. Did you really just search Maidan on Google scholar to try to impress me? I'm going to bend you over.

                You want to read a book, big boy? Open wide!

                https://files.catbox.moe/r7ee47.php

                Your history of Ukraine begins 2022. I have more than one-hundred times the depth of knowledge on this subject you do.

                • ex10n@lemm.ee
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                  11 months ago

                  I'm not sure why you think commiting to insults has an impact on your claims, but carry on! I'll continue to support thoughtful discourse and debate!

                  • voight [he/him, any]
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                    11 months ago

                    You can't seriously be trying to act glib after you ignored the basic point I made about the social sciences due to sheer ignorance. The world is not a laboratory.

                    Articles like the ones I posted often become chapters in books, and are just as suitable as the paper you cited when it comes to examining the recent history of Ukraine.

                    There is no way for you to disguise your intellectual humiliation, flat out refusing to examine the sources I provided, or prove that they are themselves inaccurately sourced. You have nothing but your own confirmation bias to sustain you.

                    Now go do your homework, Bandera boy. I gave you plenty.

                    • ex10n@lemm.ee
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                      11 months ago

                      Your belief that the articles you shared will become chapters in history is laughable. They'll exist sure, but they'll carry no merit as their bias paints a dark stain on their impact. Through simple logic and reasoning, the bias is easily sniffed out. Please learn to apply some common sense when carrying out debate in public forums. It's a step towards being decent.

                      • voight [he/him, any]
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                        11 months ago

                        You're all alone with your reddit debate bro shit man, you're not fooling anybody. We all know it's a bluff. This is what you do whenever you see anything you disagree with: label it disinformation. It's the same strategy as narcissistic twitter bluechecks. You're employing an embarrassing, lazy, overused rhetorical strategy that has literally not worked a single time.

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                        • ex10n@lemm.ee
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                          11 months ago

                          My understanding is that Lemmy is a platform to allow individuals to discuss topics in an open forum setting. I'm here to be open minded and listen, but debate is a two-way street. In order to promote open discussion, participants in a democratic process need to be willing to discuss their beliefs with others. It's important to participate in this process as it's how I believe humanity can grow stronger. Our struggles as humans are the same, we must understand the differing viewpoints others have come to realize in order to promote a better world.