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  • TankieTanuki [he/him]
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    7 months ago

    Nation states conduct many back channel deals. Just one speculative example: Nixon could have traded a withdrawal from Vietnam for silence on a conspiracy, since the US cares more about propaganda victories than human lives. Nixon's "Vietnamization" policy (the gradual drawdown) went into effect around the time of the first moon landing.

    Do you happen to know where the Chinese photos can be viewed?

    • ComradeSalad@lemmygrad.ml
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      7 months ago

      Huh? The US was already going to withdraw from Vietnam, and everyone knew it. They were losing to many men, to much money, and it was wildly unpopular and unsustainable. The Soviet Union would have never traded one of the greatest chances in world history to humiliate the United States for a Vietnam withdrawal that was already happening.

      Why would China agree to lie with the US? You’re telling me you got France, the EU, the Soviet Union, China, Japan, India, South Korea, and dozens of massive corporations and organizations to agree to lie together?

      The landings happened. There are to many variables for this conspiracy to work. It is not possible.

    • ComradeSalad@lemmygrad.ml
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      7 months ago

      They are not publicly viewable sadly, as the technology and camera used by the Chinese probe/lander is still classified. However the scientists and Chinese space agency explicitly stated that they found evidence of all previous Apollo landings.

      https://english.cas.cn/newsroom/archive/china_archive/cn2012/201202/t20120207_81106.shtml

      However pictures from India’s Chandrayaan 2 lander of the Apollo Eagle landing are public and can be viewed with a Google search.

      Further, I checked the references and it all seems to check out. The Wikipedia page for 3rd party evidence is very thorough.

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-party_evidence_for_Apollo_Moon_landings

      • TankieTanuki [he/him]
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        7 months ago

        I did find the Chandrayaan 2 photo, comrade. There certainly is an... object there:

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        The problem I have with photos like these is there just isn't enough resolution to make a positive ID. There is a craft there, yes, but crafts (as well as "traces" of landings that the Chinese scientist mentions) are still consistent with the hypothesis that NASA sent an unmanned, one-way probe containing a retrofelector and a radio repeater.

        • ComradeSalad@lemmygrad.ml
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          7 months ago

          Did the unmanned probe drive around buggies all by itself? Leave a little bit of garbage here and there?

          That is not a hypothesis. It is a conspiracy that is talking out of its ass.

          Again, I am not sure if you can read Russian, but the Soviet space agency fully tracked the entire Apollo process from start to finish. They even had military units in the area of the astronaut touchdown. They followed it from start to finish, so where did NASA get the chance to sneak in astronauts during the process?

          Please stop. This is one of the stupidest conspiracies there is along with flat earth, and people who genuinely believe it are beyond stupid. I would also like to laugh at the US for something, but this isn’t it.

          Does this image from the Japanese flyover do anything for you? It’s a higher resolution and shows that those “objects” perfectly line up with where they were set up by the astronauts and filmed, with the angles, distances, and directions all being correct. This is several hundred meters from the landing site the astronauts traveled to.

          An unmanned probe doesn’t set up a bunch of scientific equipment by itself several hundred meters away from the landing zone.

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          Actual landing zone better resolution.

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