This is why I believe that even Russians (and Putin) genuinely did not expect the EU to go all in with Ukraine. They really thought that they could force some sort of a peace negotiation from the Western imperialist powers.
They must be scratching their heads like “really? is this really the hill you want to die on? because you’re going to lose so much more than we can afford to.”
It was pretty wild how after Merkel govt maneuvered for 20 years to avoid that, next one just plunged headfirst on the concrete. Though to be fair Merkel govt is also complicit (and probably in many ways we don't know yet), to avoid it they just needed to seriously enforce Minsk accords, which they absolutely had the power to do.
Then again, their motivation was pretty obvious: what's better than cheap Russian resources? Imperialist control over the even cheaper Russian resources. Pity they forgot to never trust USA.
Indeed, I think Merkel understood that Europe needed Russia to prosper, and she was probably the last leader Europe had with any brains. I agree she was ultimately complicit in what has now unfolded, but at least she had enough sense not to let it happen on her watch.
The fact that Russian economy is actually growing does make this an absolute farce. What Europeans are now realizing is that they need Russia, but Russia doesn't need them.
I think vast majority of the population understands this, but the political class is entirely captured by US at this point. My prediction is that we'll start seeing populist governments form across Europe over the next few years that are going to break ranks with US interests. Countries that managed to break away from US agenda will start doing better economically, and those that don't will continue to spiral down the drain.
I think vast majority of the population understands this
IDK about europe, but in the US, they won't extrapolate "everything is made in china" to "If we go to war with China, we will have nothing". Even after it starts, if they blame capital, it will not be systemic, just "some bad individuals didn't do capitalism correctly".
For sure, and we kind of see this with Russia right now. It's obvious that the economic downturn in the west is a direct result of the economic war with Russia, but it's taboo to actually say this out loud. So, we get all these weird excuses for why the economy is all of a sudden in a nose dive, or outright denials that there are problems even. Like in Canada, we've been pretending that we're not in a recession for the past year, and now they're calling it a "soft recession".
So, it is likely that a period of right wing idiocy will be required to convince people that right wingers don't have any better solutions than the libs.
My prediction is that we'll start seeing populist governments form across Europe over the next few years that are going to break ranks with US interests. Countries that managed to break away from US agenda will start doing better economically, and those that don't will continue to spiral down the drain.
We might see the start of this in the coming election cycle in Europe. I think that Germany and France in particular will be setting the pace. They're ultimately the two countries that really matter.
Yeah, they pushed heavily for peace negotiations back when the war was just starting. They must've been absolutely shocked when the west actively sabotaged them (and their own economy).
People are still saying "wow they thought they could take Kiev in 3 days"... they pulled back after they inked a deal to bring in loads of aid and 2 whole replacement armies 😅 guys those armies have run out
This is why I believe that even Russians (and Putin) genuinely did not expect the EU to go all in with Ukraine. They really thought that they could force some sort of a peace negotiation from the Western imperialist powers.
They must be scratching their heads like “really? is this really the hill you want to die on? because you’re going to lose so much more than we can afford to.”
I have to say, I did not expect to Europe eagerly destroy its economy to show up Russia.
It was pretty wild how after Merkel govt maneuvered for 20 years to avoid that, next one just plunged headfirst on the concrete. Though to be fair Merkel govt is also complicit (and probably in many ways we don't know yet), to avoid it they just needed to seriously enforce Minsk accords, which they absolutely had the power to do.
Then again, their motivation was pretty obvious: what's better than cheap Russian resources? Imperialist control over the even cheaper Russian resources. Pity they forgot to never trust USA.
Indeed, I think Merkel understood that Europe needed Russia to prosper, and she was probably the last leader Europe had with any brains. I agree she was ultimately complicit in what has now unfolded, but at least she had enough sense not to let it happen on her watch.
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And failed at that latter task, too lmao
The fact that Russian economy is actually growing does make this an absolute farce. What Europeans are now realizing is that they need Russia, but Russia doesn't need them.
The big question is whether they will realise it's the same/worse with China before or after decoupling/starting a war.
I think vast majority of the population understands this, but the political class is entirely captured by US at this point. My prediction is that we'll start seeing populist governments form across Europe over the next few years that are going to break ranks with US interests. Countries that managed to break away from US agenda will start doing better economically, and those that don't will continue to spiral down the drain.
IDK about europe, but in the US, they won't extrapolate "everything is made in china" to "If we go to war with China, we will have nothing". Even after it starts, if they blame capital, it will not be systemic, just "some bad individuals didn't do capitalism correctly".
For sure, and we kind of see this with Russia right now. It's obvious that the economic downturn in the west is a direct result of the economic war with Russia, but it's taboo to actually say this out loud. So, we get all these weird excuses for why the economy is all of a sudden in a nose dive, or outright denials that there are problems even. Like in Canada, we've been pretending that we're not in a recession for the past year, and now they're calling it a "soft recession".
So, it is likely that a period of right wing idiocy will be required to convince people that right wingers don't have any better solutions than the libs.
god I hope this is true
We might see the start of this in the coming election cycle in Europe. I think that Germany and France in particular will be setting the pace. They're ultimately the two countries that really matter.
Yeah, they pushed heavily for peace negotiations back when the war was just starting. They must've been absolutely shocked when the west actively sabotaged them (and their own economy).
People are still saying "wow they thought they could take Kiev in 3 days"... they pulled back after they inked a deal to bring in loads of aid and 2 whole replacement armies 😅 guys those armies have run out