On one hand, I do think torture is wrong

But on the other hand, this just feels like more confirmation of Ukraine/US involvement that they're so outraged about it.

  • 420blazeit69 [he/him]
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    3 months ago

    There is no excuse for a state torturing anyone, so there is no room for "he deserved it" in this conversation. It should be the easiest thing in the world to look at Russians torturing this guy and say that's wrong. This is the difference between critical support and unconditional support.

    You are also assuming he is guilty based on what, news reports in the immediate aftermath? That we all know are just press releases straight from the cops? You can't look at stuff like mundane drug arrests in the U.S. and be hypersuspicious of every allegation then uncritically accept the first story the cops put out on a high-profile terrorist attack.

      • 420blazeit69 [he/him]
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        3 months ago

        You're the one going to bat for torture here. Torture that is inexcusable no matter what these guys did.

        But I'm sure you've done a deep, sober dive into the evidence and are not simply repeating (other) things the cops told you. I'm sure we have the full story about what exactly happened and who exactly was involved 48 hours after the fact.

      • Aria@lemmygrad.ml
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        3 months ago

        What does it fucking matter if he's guilty, it's not the police's job or the state's job to enact revenge.