I'm not banned yet because the admin's at least a bit sympathetic, but I sure as hell don't think 90% of the group's gonna want to speak to me after this. I told them I'm voting and campaigning for a 3rd party candidate who is anti-Israel and pro-trans and explained that I could not in good conscience vote for Biden after his blatant and willing complicity in genocide. Here are some of the arguments I encountered in response to that:
- "Not voting for Biden makes it easier for Trump to win, and Trump will genocide trans people in addition to Palestinians. Therefore anything you do supports genocide, so you might as well support less genocide."
- "Your trans friends will all know that you're functionally anti-trans." (I'm sure this would be a shock to my trans friends in my org, all of whom have made it clear they will also not vote for Biden)
- "Trump would genocide Palestinians even harder."
- "Biden wants to stop the genocide, but the Republicans won't let him."
Some choice quotes:
Have pride in your self centeredness, I guess.
Choosing someone who you know cannot win, especially as they're not the chosen candidate, is only symbolically different than choosing apathy.
It's just objectively how it works in this system. There is no non vote.
And it is most depressing your friends here at home are not important enough to check one box for.
And this:
[The Palestinian] genocide is going to happen regardless of the two. But the one that's happening here, that one can be stopped. And you refuse to do anything about it because you think you're so much better.
You're right about one thing, though. I do think I'm better than people who give their endorsement to running over Palestinian children with tanks.
And I'm better than people that choose two genocides at once, I guess. If we're ranking each other. I'd laugh if it wasn't stupid.
Anyone who votes for a president actively enabling a genocide is complicit in that genocide, and voting for a guy who promises the same is also being complicit. Compromise is one thing, perfect candidates don't exist and libs suck and have shitty politics, but a line must be drawn as to what can be accepted in those margins and genocide surpasses it. Any sort of endorsement is complicity and anyone who does so should be treated as the collaborators they are.
Libs are just straight up saying "voting for Joe Biden is not an endorsement of Joe Biden" and I'm like
And yet, anything but fullthroated support for the sacrifice of hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians to the imperial extraction regime in
means you love Vladolf Putler according to these same people
Libs are truly incapable of self-reflection
I just remembered I had that discussion 2-3 times here, were I had to spell it out to them. It was maddening.
Do they think Joe shows up to every voters house to ask "hey fat, did you vote for me like with a 'real' vote or was it just a 'not Trump' vote? I need to know because I'll be having a speech tomorrow where I'll use all the people that voted for me as an argument to legitimise my power, so it's really important I know what kind of vote you gave me. Jack."
It's so frustrating lmao, just complete nonsense
I get called delusional and idiotic for pointing out that a vote for a candidate IS an endorsement of the candidate.
These are the adults in the room
Amazing