It must be nice to not care about horrible things happening to most people. It makes it so much easier when you don't care about people, right?
Sadly a question you can ask Kopmala and Biden themselves about why they're not trying to earn back the people whose votes they lost given what Trump's going to do, but I guess expecting two people to change course is probably infinitely harder than the many, many people who've decided not to bother voting.
But I guess those two must be kept safe from critical questions, seeing as no one's even trying to pressure them into changing course (except of course for the protesters who most likely count among those who won't be voting). Then again Biden himself isn't all that concerned about whether or not Trump wins if we're being honest.
What, materially, other than nice sounding words, has Biden and federal-level Democrats in general done to counteract what is happening to trans people in red states right now? What indication is there that Democrats care to do anything for trans people on a federal level? On the state level, sure, there's been some action to make blue states sanctuary states and such, but federally?
abortion, birth control,
Again, what have Biden and the federal level Democrats done about this? Did they codify Roe while they had the chance? Did they pack the courts so Roe couldn't be overturned? Did they build abortion clinics on Federal land? Or did they just, yet again, say nice words?
end unions
Biden literally broke a strike lmao. Personally, by his own hands. One of the few proactive things he has done in his whole presidency is to actively break a strike.
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We already don't live in a democracy. Youre choice is between outright facism and pretty damn close to fascism, and in most places in the country you dont even get to contribute to that choice.
and otherwise just be totally as bad as Republicans
On forgein policy and economics? Yeah pretty much. On social issues? Democrats will say nice words but, again at least federally, not materially do anything.
Roe v. Wade certainly would have still been overturned if the election in 2016 had gone the other way, too, right?
2016 is in the past and you learned the wrong lesson from it. 2016 taught us that running a shitty milquetoast war criminal neoliberal candidate that noone other than wine moms likes against fascism (and pied pipering him as the nominee because you think you can beat him in the process btw!!!) doesn't work. And again, both Obama and Biden could have codified Roe and didn't. And Biden could have packed the courts to prevent the overturn.
All in all, electorialism won't save us. And the violent solutions you wanted to avoid in your first post are actually our only way out of this mess. But they need to be organized.
It's not about defeating the us army lmao. It's about striking and civil disobedience, even when illegal. That is the basic strategy to win concessions. On a long term basis, there needs to be more pressure on Democrats to maintain standards instead of just electing garbage candidates.
Why would it not be enough? Do you think the purpose of striking is to convince more people to vote? No, it's to force concessions directly.
That's why building up dual power via leftist organizing is the key through-line of leftist thought, rather than playing into the game set up by the Dictatorship of the Bourgeoisie.
Because the fascists will start shooting people who strike.
This has historically been true under both the Democrats and Republicans, because Capitalists control both of those parties. Far-right violence has increased under Biden. The fact of the matter is that Capitalism and by extension Imperialism are in constant decay. Fascism is a violent attempt to "turn the clock back" to the "good old days" via nationalism, and class collaborationism between the Bourgeoisie and Petitie Bourgeoisie, think Tesla and Small Business Owner techbros.
Fascism is not present because Trump is present, a liberal beating a fascist electorally will not stop fascist violencd, but increase it. Leftists must organize.
And we just don't have what it takes to win that war.
We absolutely do have what it takes. The faster liberals side with leftists and take strong stances against fascism, rather than cast approval of fascist enablers, the better it will be.
We will lose, and the world will be worse because of it.
Not entirely sure the world would be worse off if the US collapsed. The US is the largest Empire in the world, billions of people would be celebrating through the streets.
Do you seriously think that fascist violence would be limited to just nutjobs acting outside the law in a fascist regime. That ain't how this works. There's a reason I brought up the US army. It wouldn't be the first time they were brought in to end strikes. The simple fact of the matter is that the difference in military power between the army and socialists has only gotten more and more cartoonishly unbalanced as time has gone on though.
You don't really understand what revolutionary theory is if you think people are advocating random fights with the military.
Liberals will not side with us here in the US. You would know that if you ever talked to any. They'll fight the fascists on their own, and honestly I think they'll probably win if it comes down to it, but they probably won't even bother to use us as allies to abandon. We're not even important enough in the US for even that level of indignity.
Liberals side with fascists, they don't fight them.
If the US could just peacefully implode in a time where the world wasn't facing a massive wave of authoritarianism and an impending global warming crisis it would be an objectively good thing. We don't live in that world though. The consequence of a US civil war right now would be billions dying in the streets, not celebrating.
The US is at the top of that authoritarian list. The US isn't fighting any fight against authoritarianism, but for it.
You don't have a democracy that can be ended. You haven't had one from the beginning of your republic. America is an aristocracy and anyone deluded enough to believe that it ever had anything approximating a democracy simply hasn't learnt anything.
There is like zero chance you or anyone else is going to apply any pressure or even this energy to Biden and Kamala to get them to change course, is there?
Absolutely ridiculous coming from someone not capable of understanding that the material conditions created by "harm reduction" neoliberal D governments of Clinton, Obama, and Biden actually accelerated the rise of fascism in the US
Sadly a question you can ask Kopmala and Biden themselves about why they're not trying to earn back the people whose votes they lost given what Trump's going to do, but I guess expecting two people to change course is probably infinitely harder than the many, many people who've decided not to bother voting.
But I guess those two must be kept safe from critical questions, seeing as no one's even trying to pressure them into changing course (except of course for the protesters who most likely count among those who won't be voting). Then again Biden himself isn't all that concerned about whether or not Trump wins if we're being honest.
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What, materially, other than nice sounding words, has Biden and federal-level Democrats in general done to counteract what is happening to trans people in red states right now? What indication is there that Democrats care to do anything for trans people on a federal level? On the state level, sure, there's been some action to make blue states sanctuary states and such, but federally?
Again, what have Biden and the federal level Democrats done about this? Did they codify Roe while they had the chance? Did they pack the courts so Roe couldn't be overturned? Did they build abortion clinics on Federal land? Or did they just, yet again, say nice words?
Biden literally broke a strike lmao. Personally, by his own hands. One of the few proactive things he has done in his whole presidency is to actively break a strike.
We already don't live in a democracy. Youre choice is between outright facism and pretty damn close to fascism, and in most places in the country you dont even get to contribute to that choice.
On forgein policy and economics? Yeah pretty much. On social issues? Democrats will say nice words but, again at least federally, not materially do anything.
2016 is in the past and you learned the wrong lesson from it. 2016 taught us that running a shitty milquetoast war criminal neoliberal candidate that noone other than wine moms likes against fascism (and pied pipering him as the nominee because you think you can beat him in the process btw!!!) doesn't work. And again, both Obama and Biden could have codified Roe and didn't. And Biden could have packed the courts to prevent the overturn.
All in all, electorialism won't save us. And the violent solutions you wanted to avoid in your first post are actually our only way out of this mess. But they need to be organized.
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It's not about defeating the us army lmao. It's about striking and civil disobedience, even when illegal. That is the basic strategy to win concessions. On a long term basis, there needs to be more pressure on Democrats to maintain standards instead of just electing garbage candidates.
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Why would it not be enough? Do you think the purpose of striking is to convince more people to vote? No, it's to force concessions directly.
That's why building up dual power via leftist organizing is the key through-line of leftist thought, rather than playing into the game set up by the Dictatorship of the Bourgeoisie.
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This has historically been true under both the Democrats and Republicans, because Capitalists control both of those parties. Far-right violence has increased under Biden. The fact of the matter is that Capitalism and by extension Imperialism are in constant decay. Fascism is a violent attempt to "turn the clock back" to the "good old days" via nationalism, and class collaborationism between the Bourgeoisie and Petitie Bourgeoisie, think Tesla and Small Business Owner techbros.
Fascism is not present because Trump is present, a liberal beating a fascist electorally will not stop fascist violencd, but increase it. Leftists must organize.
We absolutely do have what it takes. The faster liberals side with leftists and take strong stances against fascism, rather than cast approval of fascist enablers, the better it will be.
Not entirely sure the world would be worse off if the US collapsed. The US is the largest Empire in the world, billions of people would be celebrating through the streets.
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You don't really understand what revolutionary theory is if you think people are advocating random fights with the military.
Liberals side with fascists, they don't fight them.
The US is at the top of that authoritarian list. The US isn't fighting any fight against authoritarianism, but for it.
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You don't have a democracy that can be ended. You haven't had one from the beginning of your republic. America is an aristocracy and anyone deluded enough to believe that it ever had anything approximating a democracy simply hasn't learnt anything.
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There is like zero chance you or anyone else is going to apply any pressure or even this energy to Biden and Kamala to get them to change course, is there?
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This is what Democrats did this year.
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Absolutely ridiculous coming from someone not capable of understanding that the material conditions created by "harm reduction" neoliberal D governments of Clinton, Obama, and Biden actually accelerated the rise of fascism in the US
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