• UlyssesT [he/him]
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    23 days ago

    So what about any of that screams "the Terran Empire did nothing wrong" to you?

    I wasn't talking about you in particular, nor was I making the connection to that character when I was talking about red flags until you forcibly made it for me.

    Read again. I was talking about people posting sometimes hours-long screeds in public zone chat channels in an online game about how badly they want to exterminate undesirables, that also happen to almost universally identify with the Terran Empire or Section 31 between such rants.

    Because you went off into the weeds to make excuses for a specific character, I did happen to roll my eyes at the "the mass murdering dictator is sorry and that somehow means she is okay now, feeling bad and promising to be nicer rebalances the scales in a way that karmically un-kills everyone she murdered" argument, though it was a different topic and wasn't even connected to what I was saying about toxic fans (and the actual topic brought up in this thread).

    Or would you rather keep deflecting?

    Spare me the catty Reddit zingers.

      • UlyssesT [he/him]
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        23 days ago

        Are you continuing to believe that your sidetrack fandom-driven defensiveness had much to do with what I was talking about to begin with, even after I answered your still-silly and increasingly-off topic claim that a character feeling bad and promising to do better somehow un-does the atrocities she did before?

        I'm not going to congratulate you for your favorite bad writing cliche.

        Truly dazzling.

        jagoff

          • UlyssesT [he/him]
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            23 days ago

            Godwin

            https://www.rstreet.org/commentary/i-created-godwins-law-in-1990-but-it-wasnt-a-prediction-it-was-a-warning/

            Do you have anything else to add but more seething rage? You brought up Godwin's law first there. Was that because of some guilty conscience about the edgy contrarian character cliches you stan for that needs to be buried under more smug Reddity zingers?

            • bigboig@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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              23 days ago

              Do you have anything else to add but more seething rage?

              I really doubt they were taking their other conversation that seriously and I don't think you need to either

              • UlyssesT [he/him]
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                23 days ago

                I really doubt they were taking their other conversation that seriously

                Scroll up.

                See how they reacted to my mirthful humor-intended comment, meme face and all, about the dubiousness of the writer-contrived "reformed" character mentioned.

                Play enlightened mediator all you want but you responded to my post in particular, 16 hours later.

                • bigboig@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                  22 days ago

                  Space Hitler felt kind of bad about some things and made some space friends and promises to make the next Space Reich a little nicer. No need for Space Nuremburg, for real. [Memeface]

                  \

                  Play enlightened mediator all you want but you responded to my post in particular, 16 hours later.

                  This does not read as mirthful, it just seems like a mean-spirited, dismissive misrepresentation of their position . Sorry for bringing up what you said yesterday

                  • UlyssesT [he/him]
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                    22 days ago

                    This does not read as mirthful

                    To me, neither does this:

                    So what about any of that screams "the Terran Empire did nothing wrong" to you? Or would you rather keep deflecting?

                    Hypocrisy is super common among people that wave around pretenses of enlightened mediation, so I'm not surprised. Playing the "mean spirited" card while selectively ignoring the escalating petty hostility from the other poster isn't surprising either.

                    I'd rather just move on. If some edgy fan wants to stan for edgy characters from what might be the worst of recent Trek shows, I can't stop them. What I said about what I see as red flags is only highlighted by that exchange, and will further advise me any time I see another edgy fan stanning for the Terran Empire or the like.

                    • bigboig@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                      22 days ago

                      Their reply was after your facetious comment with the meme face. Have you considered they were trying to meet your energy?

                      • UlyssesT [he/him]
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                        22 days ago

                        All of this hinges on your belief that my meme-faced comment, loaded with space-this and space-that word choices, was insufficiently mirthful.

                        You're taking this exchange way too seriously.

                        • bigboig@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                          22 days ago

                          That's OK. You should really consider if your comments are being misunderstood as dismissive instead of "mirthful" and how you can clarify that. Can always be better at communicating

                          • UlyssesT [he/him]
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                            22 days ago

                            Can always be better at communicating

                            Take your own advice there. You have failed to persuade me and have come across as condescending and sanctimonious while also obviously picking a side while pretending to be a neutral mediator.

                            You should really consider

                            No.

                            I originally wrote, as per the OP, about what I saw as red flags with Trek fans, and that exchange (and this one) have only reinforced how I feel about Terran Empire and Section 31 stans and apologists, no matter how an edgy character in Discovery might have felt bad after the fact after making some friends.

                            • bigboig@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                              22 days ago

                              Ok, I do! I never meant to be neutral, I just thought you were getting worked up over a misunderstanding. Good luck with being mirthful and dazzling and all

                              • UlyssesT [he/him]
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                                22 days ago

                                you seemed to be getting worked up

                                Show

                                You keep replying, all while trying to emphasize how very not mad you surely are with your passive aggressive fuming.

                                The point of this thread was red flags from toxic fans. You're only signaling your exceptional toxicity to me, reinforcing how I feel about Terran Empire/Section 31 apologists, and all for... what?

                                And you keep doing it after your zero-self-awareness sniveling about bad communication. I hope you're part of Trump's election campaign because I really, really want to see him lose.

                                  • UlyssesT [he/him]
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                                    22 days ago

                                    Your ongoing "not mad" passive aggression and last word game is reinforcing how I feel about toxic Trek fans that stan for the Terran Empire.

                                    • bigboig@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                                      22 days ago

                                      Well that doesn't make sense, I only like the mirror universe and section 31 as fun style breaks in ds9. Go niners!

                                      • UlyssesT [he/him]
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                                        22 days ago

                                        Yet you're still here, your last word game continues, and you can have it because you're added yourself and your concern trolling, with distinction, to the toxic fans that I've already mentioned are red flags to me.

                                        Now, get your last words in and congratulate yourself for wasting your time making me more convinced in how I feel about toxic fans like yourself.