The only naive mistake on any players' part would be playing with this guy in the first place

Pinging @UlyssesT@hexbear.net because I know you hate this stuff too

  • Babs [she/her]
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    2 days ago

    Alignment is for Outsiders in my group.

    Yes, that demon is literally a concept of Evil given physical form. No, that orc is not, stop being racist.

    • Awoo [she/her]
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      2 days ago

      a concept of Evil given physical form

      "Is it sexy?" awooga

      • EelBolshevikism [none/use name]
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        1 day ago

        depends on the degree that Christian protestant sexual morality had influence on the design (more Protestantism = more sexually charged conceptions of evil)

        • UlyssesT [he/him]
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          1 day ago

          I think a way to encourage a cultural swing in a group is to have sensual, sexy good aligned characters. Maybe even sensual sexy clerics or even paladins.

          • EelBolshevikism [none/use name]
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            1 day ago

            maybe but with your average D&D group you'd have to carry an actual knife behind your dm screen to prevent SA if you did that

            • UlyssesT [he/him]
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              1 day ago

              If the sexy "good" characters were powerful enough, they could discourage Gambobrained shit. They could even go full priestess of Ishtar and offer sensual (fade to black of course) favors for heroic deeds... or in a less "lol prostitution" way if the group is more (actual) mature, they may find heroism worthy of flirting... even dating opportunity.

              • EelBolshevikism [none/use name]
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                22 hours ago

                include opportunities for them to turn down players anyway if they're just not their type, and you could deprogram weirdos with that last thing. Maybe reward players with friend contacts to mechanically disincentivize of thinking of being turned down as a "friendzone"

                • UlyssesT [he/him]
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                  22 hours ago

                  Oh, absolutely. Though depending on how weebish or otherwise far gone they are, they may need some training wheels so they don't get really mad.

    • Smeagolicious [they/them]
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      17 hours ago

      Yes, that demon is literally a concept of Evil given physical form

      Even then, in my worlds I still occasionally like to include the edge cases of outsiders rejecting the evil of their archfiends (or overlords, what have you) and, if not redeeming themselves, sometimes being a little bit more chill (sometimes still morally dubious but in a more fun way).

      I think my tendency towards a historical materialist lens has really affected my worldbuilding lol. I always like to logic out how outsider societies would work in my settings given such concepts as soul-corruption, damnation, souls as currency, immortality, and on and on. I find it much more interesting that way.

      Yeah a fiend society and most fiends are "evil" in a similar way to any of the truly evil empires in our world and their supporting people are - with the added fun factors that a large percent of the population may literally be harvesting damned souls, or be born from the greed/hate/lust/jealousy of former mortal souls. I like a demon not having to be 110% inevitably bound by their origin

    • frauddogg [they/them, null/void]
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      1 day ago

      I actually really like this use for alignment, as the thembo that has been laughed away from several online games because I like the concept of Drow trying to leave the surface world in a better state for the next one to escape the Underdark. The slow death of racial alignments has been so fucking vindicating.

      • Anxious_Anarchist [they/them, any]
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        19 hours ago

        I remember playing DnD with my bf's parents and family friend, all old school players, and they were all baffled that I wanted to play as a kindly full orc druid. The dm was so unprepared for me to try and talk to the bugbears we encountered that they genuinely didn't have any story planned for them.

        • frauddogg [they/them, null/void]
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          19 hours ago

          a kindly full orc druid

          I imagine this has a lot of the same potential intersections that my tiefling druid concept had and I adore this concept if you were really gonna lean into how prejudiced most druidic groves tend to be presented where goblinoid and orc-adjacent races are concerned; and how this prejudice isn't borne of Silvanus at all-- but man, if a DM admitted to me that they had nothing for an action a non-murderhobo would take, maybe it's just my being used to Fallout-style DM'ing; I think I'd lose a degree of respect for their pen. Like fuck, at least improv something.

          • Anxious_Anarchist [they/them, any]
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            18 hours ago

            To his credit he did improv stuff, I even ended getting the bugbears to team up with our party, he just admitted that he really hadn't planned for any of us to do anything like that.