• thethirdgracchi [he/him, they/them]
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    3 days ago

    This is a good argument with a bad example. The Mediterranean in 220 BC was definitely not anarchist in most places, just because a society isn't a "state" does not mean it was an anarchist society where people were free to determine the course of their own lives. If you roll this map back ~3000 years then yes, a lot of Neolithic societies were pretty close to anarchist ideals, where there were no "leaders" except for specific situations based on expertise, there was mass migration and tons of villages all with their own pottery styles and even languages mere miles from one another, a kind of veritable explosion of different ways of life all made possible by the recent spread of farming. States have only been around for roughly 5,000 years or so. Humans are millions of years old.

      • Dolores [love/loves]
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        3 days ago

        phylogenetically "human" does not specifically refer to homo sapiens, but the 'homo' genus as a whole

        • GalaxyBrain [they/them]
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          3 days ago

          So we're going to include the entire genus when discussing social formations? That seems uselessly broad

          • thethirdgracchi [he/him, they/them]
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            3 days ago

            Many different species of the homo genus adopted the same "technology set" of the Acheulean stone making packet, including Homo erectus, Neanderthals, and other early archaic human species. That's a widespread tool set that probably resulted in similar social formations across different human species, and we have lots of archeological evidence for this tool set. Given that such technology is shared across species, I don't think it's uselessly broad to assume there was also shared social formations.

        • thethirdgracchi [he/him, they/them]
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          3 days ago

          Yeah "human" society, with tool making, kin networks, mobile bands of hunters creating stories, painting, all that stuff predates homo sapiens.

          • GalaxyBrain [they/them]
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            3 days ago

            And is present it other species. So should we start forming our political opinions around what crows do?