I'm curious as well. The western block is awful but the Baltics are noticeably worse. This is despite them having actually experienced the USSR which is remembered fondly in other post-soviet states.
There has to be a reason for why this has happened. Is it really just because the west made a strategic decision to prioritise investment/bribes and propaganda in the Baltic states?
Because they,like most of Eastern Europe have a deep seated hatred for Russia, originally for a good reason,as the Baltics were colonized heavily by both Germans,and later Russians during the time of the Tzars
After they got their brief interwar independence they were heavily anticommunist,in opposition to the USSR for obvious reasons
During WW2 ,they were some of the most zealous antisemites,and killed almost all the Jews in the Baltics,Germans declared the area Jew free at one point (those that collaborated,there were many partizans on the side of the USSR,but you don't hear about them because the whole history of Eastern Europe was rewritten by the traitors that sold us out and the gusano parasites that came in from the fascist emigres)
I get that there is old historic animosity to tap into and that they have a history of widespread fascism that was still remembered upon the time of the destruction of the USSR. But to an outsider it seems like this is the only thing there is. It is as if the memory and appreciation of antifascist partisans and almost half a century of peaceful soviet life and development has been completely repressed. You never hear anyone push back on nationalism, Russophobia and Nazi apologia. You don't even hear about old people being nostalgic for their youth.
Has the propaganda really been that successful? How did they do it?
First,the people who were foolishly led into thinking that capitalism would be better didn't want to admit they were wrong and dug their heels in and attributed every failure to the nebulous "legacy of communism"
Second,the latent reactionary sentiments
Third,the inferiority complex we all seem to have,this desire to join the ranks of the West in the vain hope we get a fraction of their prosperity
And fourth,you have to understand,when I say the history was rewritten by gusanos and revisionist traitors,it was rewritten.30 years have gone by since Communism fell,and now all the middle aged people and the young adults were taught a twisted version of history and it's been turbocharged by the unsatisfactory development brought by capitalism and the poverty that still exists
As for why the Baltics and Poland are the worst,I can't say,since Romania had different conditions,but my thinking is that they got the somewhat less bad deal and are more integrated than the rest of the former Warsaw Pact,same goes for Czechia
Not only was the Eastern Bloc looted,but it's very ideological base was uprooted and it's very society shattered and then remoulded through heavy US and EU interference to become the perfect vassal region
Notably the waffen ss was a little freaked out by how anti-semitic Estonia was. Something like, what was it, .01% of Jews in the Baltics survived the war?
The Baltics role in the Holocaust continues to this day I want to say Estonia and Latvia having ongoing struggles with the descendents of survivors bc survivors understandably want to property of their murdered ancestors back. There's also a lot of bizarre laws against acknowledging the actual history of the 20th century. It's real bad.
Baltic states have a history of nationalism and Russophobia dating back to pre- and during USSR. Modern propaganda turns peaceful migration movements of Russians into Baltics during USSR into ethnic replacement conspiracy theories.
Is it really just because the west made a strategic decision to prioritise investment/bribes and propaganda in the Baltic states?
Probably, yeah. The first prime minister of post-USSR Estonia was also a Milton Friedman fanboy in his early 30s, which was very good for the ghouls who wanted everything privatized.
I strongly believe that much if not most eastern european anti-communism is, like, under forties being all "I was oppressed by communismb" and the oppressive evil communism is 1991-1998.
The baltics were practically western neo colonies throughout the 1920s and 30s. They all actually had big socialist movements -- The Bolsheviks received 40% of the vote in Estonia during the 1917 elections. Really wild how they've managed this
North Korean Soilders, at this point of the war, in this part of the world, localized entirely on the front lines?
Estonia: Yes.
May I see them?
Estonia: No, they all died.
30+ years of russophobic indoctrination, 100 years of Radio Free Europe blasting in their radios, moderately industrial nations before USSR who believed they could ride the imperialism train like England, France, Germany and US and reach economic parity with them. Same thing as with Poles kinda.
While the Estonians and Latvians only have repression under Livonians(the order,not the ethnic group) and Teutons to look back to,I'm guessing Lithuanians are on the "we had an empire!" type of brainworms
Yes they were the strongest Baltic tribe and the only one able to defend themselves so their brainworms also come from having their own empire and then from having entire societal elite thoroughly polonised. But the teutonic shit is also there just from the second hand, since after Poland got partitioned the new Lithuanian nationalism and redefinition of nation came from petty bourgeoisie and unlike polonised nobility, Lithuanian bougies were germanised because basically all the cities in Baltics were full of German influence.
What is happening in the baltics?
I'm curious as well. The western block is awful but the Baltics are noticeably worse. This is despite them having actually experienced the USSR which is remembered fondly in other post-soviet states.
There has to be a reason for why this has happened. Is it really just because the west made a strategic decision to prioritise investment/bribes and propaganda in the Baltic states?
Because they,like most of Eastern Europe have a deep seated hatred for Russia, originally for a good reason,as the Baltics were colonized heavily by both Germans,and later Russians during the time of the Tzars
After they got their brief interwar independence they were heavily anticommunist,in opposition to the USSR for obvious reasons
During WW2 ,they were some of the most zealous antisemites,and killed almost all the Jews in the Baltics,Germans declared the area Jew free at one point (those that collaborated,there were many partizans on the side of the USSR,but you don't hear about them because the whole history of Eastern Europe was rewritten by the traitors that sold us out and the gusano parasites that came in from the fascist emigres)
I get that there is old historic animosity to tap into and that they have a history of widespread fascism that was still remembered upon the time of the destruction of the USSR. But to an outsider it seems like this is the only thing there is. It is as if the memory and appreciation of antifascist partisans and almost half a century of peaceful soviet life and development has been completely repressed. You never hear anyone push back on nationalism, Russophobia and Nazi apologia. You don't even hear about old people being nostalgic for their youth.
Has the propaganda really been that successful? How did they do it?
Information monopoly and all out cultural war. They basically used Zhdanov theory but against communism.
They really broke the entirety of European Socialism and used the pieces to create the franken-vassal states we have today
That is a thorny question
I believe it's a sum of multiple reasons
First,the people who were foolishly led into thinking that capitalism would be better didn't want to admit they were wrong and dug their heels in and attributed every failure to the nebulous "legacy of communism"
Second,the latent reactionary sentiments
Third,the inferiority complex we all seem to have,this desire to join the ranks of the West in the vain hope we get a fraction of their prosperity
And fourth,you have to understand,when I say the history was rewritten by gusanos and revisionist traitors,it was rewritten.30 years have gone by since Communism fell,and now all the middle aged people and the young adults were taught a twisted version of history and it's been turbocharged by the unsatisfactory development brought by capitalism and the poverty that still exists
As for why the Baltics and Poland are the worst,I can't say,since Romania had different conditions,but my thinking is that they got the somewhat less bad deal and are more integrated than the rest of the former Warsaw Pact,same goes for Czechia
Not only was the Eastern Bloc looted,but it's very ideological base was uprooted and it's very society shattered and then remoulded through heavy US and EU interference to become the perfect vassal region
I think it'a actually a serious crime in one or two of the Baltics to speak true history aloud.
I really thinkj the decade of apicalyptic demographic collapse did a lot to destroy the historical memory of the ussr.
Notably the waffen ss was a little freaked out by how anti-semitic Estonia was. Something like, what was it, .01% of Jews in the Baltics survived the war?
The Baltics role in the Holocaust continues to this day I want to say Estonia and Latvia having ongoing struggles with the descendents of survivors bc survivors understandably want to property of their murdered ancestors back. There's also a lot of bizarre laws against acknowledging the actual history of the 20th century. It's real bad.
the consequences of eating beet and onion slop and polishing German horse cock for 1,000 years
Still one of the best uses of language since 400,00bce
Nationalism + EU + imported unhinged gusanos.
Baltic states have a history of nationalism and Russophobia dating back to pre- and during USSR. Modern propaganda turns peaceful migration movements of Russians into Baltics during USSR into ethnic replacement conspiracy theories.
Probably, yeah. The first prime minister of post-USSR Estonia was also a Milton Friedman fanboy in his early 30s, which was very good for the ghouls who wanted everything privatized.
I strongly believe that much if not most eastern european anti-communism is, like, under forties being all "I was oppressed by communismb" and the oppressive evil communism is 1991-1998.
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The baltics were practically western neo colonies throughout the 1920s and 30s. They all actually had big socialist movements -- The Bolsheviks received 40% of the vote in Estonia during the 1917 elections. Really wild how they've managed this
Aurora Borealis
North Korean Soilders, at this point of the war, in this part of the world, localized entirely on the front lines?
Estonia: Yes.
May I see them?
Estonia: No, they all died.
30+ years of russophobic indoctrination, 100 years of Radio Free Europe blasting in their radios, moderately industrial nations before USSR who believed they could ride the imperialism train like England, France, Germany and US and reach economic parity with them. Same thing as with Poles kinda.
Baltics (with lesser degree for Lithuania) are the warning what happens if the teutonic colonisation goes unbroken for 800 years.
While the Estonians and Latvians only have repression under Livonians(the order,not the ethnic group) and Teutons to look back to,I'm guessing Lithuanians are on the "we had an empire!" type of brainworms
Is that accurate?
Yes they were the strongest Baltic tribe and the only one able to defend themselves so their brainworms also come from having their own empire and then from having entire societal elite thoroughly polonised. But the teutonic shit is also there just from the second hand, since after Poland got partitioned the new Lithuanian nationalism and redefinition of nation came from petty bourgeoisie and unlike polonised nobility, Lithuanian bougies were germanised because basically all the cities in Baltics were full of German influence.