• CommCat [none/use name]
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    4 years ago

    surprised this has gotten over 100 upbears, Filipino Maoists like all Maoists parties hate Dengist China and this site is full of Dengists, but a lot of young CCP supporters in the West thinks there's no difference between Dengism and Maoism...

    • Huldra [they/them, it/its]
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      4 years ago

      I think people generally just appreciate anyone who is struggling and fighting for socialism and is willing to overlook ideological disagreements in situations like that, though personally I am very sus of most maoist groups because of how the ones I'm aware of have used individualist terrorism tactics which to me goes heavily against Marxism in a matter of theory and praxis.

    • SolidaritySplodarity [they/them]
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      4 years ago

      Maoists in The Philippines is better than basically every other political group in the Philippines, even if you're cool with Dengism.

    • opposide [none/use name]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      I’m surprised too, though I think the loudest of these opinions are from very online voices. I think most people on here know that any struggle > no struggle

      I also think many younger leftists are less dogmatic ideologically speaking. They just want anything that works

  • RamrodBaguette [comrade/them, he/him]
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    4 years ago

    At the risk of starting a struggle session, what's the deal with China's supposed abandonment of them and support of the Duterte regime? Honest question, since I've seen hardline Maoists list this as one of their main grievances towards the PRC today.

    • richietozier4 [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      China adopts a noninterference policy in other countries matters, unlike the USSR which exported revolution. Plus China's foreign policy has always been quite shit, which Dengists also point out

    • opposide [none/use name]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      Pretty straightforward actually from what I’ve heard from some Filipino comrades, I’ll do my best to briefly explain here:

      China would rather pull the Philippines out of the US sphere of influence, and for the time being and that was easier than ever with Duterte being as reactionary as he is. Very easy way to win favor was to drop the support of the rebels.

      Now IMO this is tragic because naturally the Philippines would fall from the US sphere if they had a communist revolution, but one point I do see here is that they likely would never be allowed to have a successful revolution within the US sphere.

            • RedDawn [he/him]
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              4 years ago

              No, they supported the Vietnamese through the war with US, one of the major reasons US troops never invaded North Vietnam was that China had essentially promised a repeat of what they did in Korea if they did. It was later that they fought the Vietnamese and supported Cambodia, mostly just because by then Sino-Soviet split had happened and they saw Vietnam as USSR aligned.

              • invalidusernamelol [he/him]M
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                4 years ago

                That's what I figured, seems like it was a bit less of an active presence than Korea and more of a support presence. Guess that was kinda the tell that they didn't want to do big wars if they could avoid it.

                • RedDawn [he/him]
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                  4 years ago

                  Yeah. I mean they had made essentially the same threat during the Korea conflict, that if the US (technically UN) crossed the the 38th parallel Chinese troops would get involved in. Of course the Americans did, and pushed basically all the way up to the border with China, who kept their word and sent over a million volunteer fighters, eventually pushing the front all the way back to the 38th. That's why America knew to take the threat seriously during Vietnam.

                  • opposide [none/use name]
                    hexagon
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                    4 years ago

                    They sent over a million volunteers including Mao’s own son who laid down his life to protect the revolution

                    • RedDawn [he/him]
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                      4 years ago

                      There's a book I want to read about Chinese POWs in the Korean War. Apparently, the US had a program of "reindoctrination" of POWs during that war (which is ironic, because they accused the otherside of doing this to explain the American defectors to the North, this is where the term "brainwashing" comes from). The indoctrination program was successful but also "backfired" when some 14,000 Chinese POWs refused to go back to China, insisting on going to Taiwan instead, which completely derailed peace talks between the two sides. I haven't read the book yet but I hear it's good.

            • opposide [none/use name]
              hexagon
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              4 years ago

              They actually did it both ways lol but yes.

              They helped the revolution succeed against the west and then ten years later went to war against Vietnam

    • CommCat [none/use name]
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      4 years ago

      because the current CCP is NOT Maoist, they are Dengists. Deng was Krushchev-Lite in terms of Maoist China, they only uphold Mao as some Nationalist hero. The Great Cultural Revolution is constantly demonized by the current CCP. Filipino Maoists, like all Maoists Parties, hate Dengist China.

  • Puggo [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    I'd like to point out that I'm very appreciative that they finished what the NLF in Vietnam had started by taking out army Col. James Rowe in '89

  • grisbajskulor [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    My high school friend is doing a presentation on Filipino US immigrant diaspora for a class. Does anyone have a video or some sources about US imperialism in creating the situations people face today?

    • bubbalu [they/them]
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      4 years ago

      A little tangential but the rapper Bambu did a concept album about the Filipino diaspora community in LAs experience during the 90s!

      He was in the youth wing of the PLA before his family emigrated.