At the risk of starting a struggle session, what's the deal with China's supposed abandonment of them and support of the Duterte regime? Honest question, since I've seen hardline Maoists list this as one of their main grievances towards the PRC today.
China adopts a noninterference policy in other countries matters, unlike the USSR which exported revolution. Plus China's foreign policy has always been quite shit, which Dengists also point out
Pretty straightforward actually from what I’ve heard from some Filipino comrades, I’ll do my best to briefly explain here:
China would rather pull the Philippines out of the US sphere of influence, and for the time being and that was easier than ever with Duterte being as reactionary as he is. Very easy way to win favor was to drop the support of the rebels.
Now IMO this is tragic because naturally the Philippines would fall from the US sphere if they had a communist revolution, but one point I do see here is that they likely would never be allowed to have a successful revolution within the US sphere.
No, they supported the Vietnamese through the war with US, one of the major reasons US troops never invaded North Vietnam was that China had essentially promised a repeat of what they did in Korea if they did. It was later that they fought the Vietnamese and supported Cambodia, mostly just because by then Sino-Soviet split had happened and they saw Vietnam as USSR aligned.
That's what I figured, seems like it was a bit less of an active presence than Korea and more of a support presence. Guess that was kinda the tell that they didn't want to do big wars if they could avoid it.
Yeah. I mean they had made essentially the same threat during the Korea conflict, that if the US (technically UN) crossed the the 38th parallel Chinese troops would get involved in. Of course the Americans did, and pushed basically all the way up to the border with China, who kept their word and sent over a million volunteer fighters, eventually pushing the front all the way back to the 38th. That's why America knew to take the threat seriously during Vietnam.
There's a book I want to read about Chinese POWs in the Korean War. Apparently, the US had a program of "reindoctrination" of POWs during that war (which is ironic, because they accused the otherside of doing this to explain the American defectors to the North, this is where the term "brainwashing" comes from). The indoctrination program was successful but also "backfired" when some 14,000 Chinese POWs refused to go back to China, insisting on going to Taiwan instead, which completely derailed peace talks between the two sides. I haven't read the book yet but I hear it's good.
because the current CCP is NOT Maoist, they are Dengists. Deng was Krushchev-Lite in terms of Maoist China, they only uphold Mao as some Nationalist hero. The Great Cultural Revolution is constantly demonized by the current CCP. Filipino Maoists, like all Maoists Parties, hate Dengist China.
At the risk of starting a struggle session, what's the deal with China's supposed abandonment of them and support of the Duterte regime? Honest question, since I've seen hardline Maoists list this as one of their main grievances towards the PRC today.
China adopts a noninterference policy in other countries matters, unlike the USSR which exported revolution. Plus China's foreign policy has always been quite shit, which Dengists also point out
Didn't they help arm or fund the mujahideen in some way or is that a morsel of propaganda still stuck in my brain folds
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Also on the side of the reactionaries in Angola. If you're literally fighting Che Guevara's team it's time to take a long hard look at yourself.
I wonder how they felt about that one, that's a swift kick in the dick
Supporting reactionaries abroad to own the revisionists
this foreign policy is dedicated to the brave mujahideen fighters
yep. ergo, shitty foreign policy
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Pretty straightforward actually from what I’ve heard from some Filipino comrades, I’ll do my best to briefly explain here:
China would rather pull the Philippines out of the US sphere of influence, and for the time being and that was easier than ever with Duterte being as reactionary as he is. Very easy way to win favor was to drop the support of the rebels.
Now IMO this is tragic because naturally the Philippines would fall from the US sphere if they had a communist revolution, but one point I do see here is that they likely would never be allowed to have a successful revolution within the US sphere.
Korea was the last big revolution that China/PLA actively participated in right?
Vietnam
Didn't they do that in the other way though?
No, they supported the Vietnamese through the war with US, one of the major reasons US troops never invaded North Vietnam was that China had essentially promised a repeat of what they did in Korea if they did. It was later that they fought the Vietnamese and supported Cambodia, mostly just because by then Sino-Soviet split had happened and they saw Vietnam as USSR aligned.
That's what I figured, seems like it was a bit less of an active presence than Korea and more of a support presence. Guess that was kinda the tell that they didn't want to do big wars if they could avoid it.
Yeah. I mean they had made essentially the same threat during the Korea conflict, that if the US (technically UN) crossed the the 38th parallel Chinese troops would get involved in. Of course the Americans did, and pushed basically all the way up to the border with China, who kept their word and sent over a million volunteer fighters, eventually pushing the front all the way back to the 38th. That's why America knew to take the threat seriously during Vietnam.
They sent over a million volunteers including Mao’s own son who laid down his life to protect the revolution
There's a book I want to read about Chinese POWs in the Korean War. Apparently, the US had a program of "reindoctrination" of POWs during that war (which is ironic, because they accused the otherside of doing this to explain the American defectors to the North, this is where the term "brainwashing" comes from). The indoctrination program was successful but also "backfired" when some 14,000 Chinese POWs refused to go back to China, insisting on going to Taiwan instead, which completely derailed peace talks between the two sides. I haven't read the book yet but I hear it's good.
They actually did it both ways lol but yes.
They helped the revolution succeed against the west and then ten years later went to war against Vietnam
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because the current CCP is NOT Maoist, they are Dengists. Deng was Krushchev-Lite in terms of Maoist China, they only uphold Mao as some Nationalist hero. The Great Cultural Revolution is constantly demonized by the current CCP. Filipino Maoists, like all Maoists Parties, hate Dengist China.
Didn't expect people to do the really fucking childish shit like use "CCP" on this site, like come on buddy.
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