I don't know anything about the channel, Earthling Ed, and usually don't watch these kinds of "debates". But I was interested in this one because I wanted to see how a vegan activist would approach indigenous practices towards hunting.
I have to say, the student came across terribly. They were not indigenous, but kept using indigenous practices and worldviews to defend their own personal meat consumption. Now, there were a lot of different camera angles and cuts in the video, so it could be edited to make the student look bad. But, as far as I can see, the student said "because Indigenous people living in far off places need to kill to be able to survive, we in the city should be able to as well."
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Yeah she did her best but this kind of Indigenous fetishism and appropriation is rampant in anti-vegan attitudes and it makes me sad. It also erases the voices of Indigenous vegans.
Indigenous people believe that rock has a soul.
Ooof I can't imagine a more crude and generalizing view of the thousands of separate spiritualties held by Indigenous people.
I hate it too, almost anything can be justified or be turned into a sin for the sake of "solidarity" that way.
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LGBT protections? You did an antisemitism sweaty :)
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People should be allowed to choose their labor regardless of gender!? Sheesh! What did the indigenous ever do to you!?
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You think monarchy is bad!? That goes against the mandate of heaven so clearly you're sinophobic!
Lmao you're gonna have to connect the dots on that first one for me, unless it's just random (in which case fair point, lol)
Kinda, I'm demonstrating how with a GREAT deal of stretching, you can make a justification or demonization for anything.
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nah earthling ed is dope, hes very lib but hes earnest as hell and his heart is very much in the right place so i would doubt there would be substantive cuts that frame the debate in a different light
hes also the most phenomenal debater ive ever seen in a way thats like the anti-v*ush, and i feel like hes a great example for leftists to look to for how to "debate" someone when your goal is to actually convince them to your point of view rather than EPICLY DESTROY them. knows his shit of course, but its mostly hes unbelievably patient and calm and understanding, doesnt die on pointless hills, doesnt try and make people feel stupid but rather just "oh yeah i hadnt considered that perspective", and generally really tries to avoid things becoming combative and adversarial while still pushing hard. this girl is incredibly defensive and hostile and seems like a lost cause (i couldnt make it more than a few minutes in), but ive watched quite a few of his "debates" and half of them end with the other person halfway or more towards veganism
2 minutes in and she's already invoking a medical condition to justify why she can't attempt veganism instead of just saying "I'm a picky eater and I like meat".
I met an indigenous person once, and surprise surprise, they weren't offended that I was :im-vegan:. Met some Indians too, and they didn't think I was a neo-nazi for saying "I don't like the dairy industry". Hell, both saw where I was coming from.
I was inspired to go vegan by an Indigenous friend. That's part of why I find this discourse frustrating sometimes.
