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Open thread, downvote first 10 top posts, close tab, didn't even read them. :gigachad:
Hey, I feel like :reddit-logo: is actually getting slightly better towards China. Now the "uyghur" stuff is at least 10 posts down!
The first post even says this:
highjacking since it's picking up. Just so we westerners don't get up on our high horses too much the US and Canada both more than double china's emissions per Capita as of 2019 and most of Europe is only just behind them. Not to mention it's our manufacturing and consumerism that is driving a lot of the factories that are the culprits of emissions in China.
And they even got people openly calling out the racism without being downvoted to -300!
Edit: Nevermind, I counted and the uyghur crap is only 9 posts down. My day is ruined
All the :fedposting: assets are reallocated to post about Russia.
There was that top post on /r/videos of a Ukrainian guy bragging about killing a Russian to the dead soldier's girlfriend using the dead guy's own cell phone. The comments weren't terribly pro-Ukrainian.
When the bots and paid actors aren't running roughshod over the thread, Reddit defaults to its sheltered liberal "Why are you being so rude?!" baseline. Like, I can only imagine the Hexbear response if it was a Venezuelan fisherman doing this shit to some Silver Corps POW. The crab lines would blot out the sun.
But internet liberals get a taste of actual on-the-ground military conflict and immediately retreat to civility politics. They don't have the stomach for this shit, unless they're being juiced by corporate-sponsored fascism.
can't believe china is improving the average lifespans of their citizens just so they can spy on and torture them longer
We improved literacy rates to make indoctrination easier :fidel-balling:
Westerners unironically mandating colonized people learn English/Spanish so they more easily be converted to Protestantism/Catholicism would naturally assume that Communists are doing the same thing for the same reasons.
It's all projection.
I kind of love that propaganda around China is so effective, that reddit and twitter are fully bought into stuff far beyond anything claimed by western sources. Just incredible.
People try to satirize what western propaganda has convinced them is wrong about eastern countries, for example, under any Youtube video from North Korea someone will say "All these people were later sent to gulag and executed lol". Someone sees that and thinks "Real shit?" and it is now part of their world view. This is how I think this happens.
Bing chilling social credit memes are maybe the best examples. People think those are actual documentaries or something. No really, there are actual people in the world who thinks that Xi Jingping personally beheads anyone who plays video games for too long.
Xi Jingping personally beheads anyone who plays video games for too long
This would be foolish. Some g*mers can be reeducated
that thread reminded me of why i stopped posting on reddit. a bunch of verysmart goodboy students who are quick to point out "YES BUT YOU NEEDED TO MINE THE MINERALS TO MAKE THE PANELS AND NOW YOU'RE COVERING UP A HILLSIDE. YOU THINK YOU'RE HELPING THE PLANET BUT ACTUALLY BECAUSE YOU'RE CHINESE, YOU MAKE IT WORSE" :so-true:
"AND THEY ALSO SHOULD DO NUCLEAR POWER INSTEAD"
- "Uh, yeah, dude, they are building 150 reactors in the next 15 years, that's more than the entire world has built in 4 decades"
"AH. WELL. NEVERTHELESS,"
All those points are true in theory, but these noodle brains assume that the Chinese engineers in charge of this project just ignored all those things a priori. They have no fucking clue what Chinese planning and environmental regulations are they just assume that the savages never thought of these nuanced things.
Everyone's suddenly concerned about the emissions generated during solar/wind equipment production. Wonder why.
I am getting fed articles about all the garbage produced by old solar panels and wind turbines. As if all that waste from coal mining and coal fired plants dont have to go somewhere. Soot, containing uranium and radium, from burning coal famously easily cleaned up byproduct.
Turns out the chemical companies they were buying the death chemicals from stopped producing them, and every medical professional began refusing to administer them, and instead of putting a stop to executions this has resulted in states making death chemicals in tiny unregulated laboratories and having cops without proper training administer them, which means that almost every executed prisoner suffers needlessly while completely paralyzed before dying slowly instead of quickly and painlessly as originally intended.
Oh and they also harvest the organs of their prisoners.
They actively fantasize about prisoners having gangs and beating and raping each other. lol.
These are the same people that are okay with concentration camps? Why do they get to demonize China over a policy THEY ENDORSE!?
ive become like the russiagate liberals except I think all the reddit bots are funded by american intelligence.
i refuse to believe real people think like this.
People don't, just chronically online people who have 0 social interaction with anyone or anything outside of posts. The goal is to turn everyone into that.
*People don't, just chronically online and media obsessed people who have 0 social interaction with anyone or anything outside of those.
all the reddit bots are funded by american intelligence
I always have to wonder at that. There's so much money in clout chasing, you'll see accounts just latch on to whatever the current internet hotness is and spam any old thing to climb the social media chain. Like, you don't need to be part of the American Intelligence apparatus to do Epic Krassenstein Posting. You just need that Alex Jones mindset.
Is every clout-chaser an intelligence asset? Or have we just created a system that heavily funds this kind of sycophantic behavior?
I'm not the brightest or most well connected of people but I think it's impossible to tell without some serious connections and skills. Intelligence money gets distributed from company to company as purchases/sales for services. In an age where so many businesses dress up the use for their service/product in MBA lingo, it's probably very easy to look like an innocuous company to the outside world when what you're really doing is using data you purchased from reddit to map out ideological trends and see if you can influence those trends with some tool you've developed.
The proliferation of non disclosure agreements being forced on workers in the high income business world makes it even more difficult to tell. you will have your house foreclosed upon if you release info on sketchy shit your employer is doing.
Is every clout-chaser an intelligence asset?
that's the question that makes me take my tin foil hat off, because my answer is no. There are a lot of useful idiots out there. And if we're being honest, there's no shortage of them on 'the left.' There are western MLs out there who repeat pro-Chinese ideas that even the Chinese state would think is too optimistic and bullshit for Chinese workers to buy into. Yet they make good money while doing it.
Honestly, what is the best way to respond to obnoxious off-topic pot-shots like that? Obviously I'm inclined to just do the same whenever the US comes up, but libs are convinced that just saying "whataboutism" is a sufficient response to any unfavorable comparisons.
And it seems similarly futile to point out that basically no country or organization actually claims outright mass murder of Uyghurs -- the most you'll get is cultural genocide, but not even the US is pulling that line anymore, instead favoring a more general claim of human rights abuses.
remember, you're not trying to convince the :brainworms: :reddit-logo: poster, you're trying to convince the 100 anons reading the thread
Sure, I'm just wondering what most effectively breaks through the unrelated shit-talk. If the posters find it compelling, how do I know the lurkers don't, and vice-versa.
You can do it like I did: make one post, copy-paste it when it's relevant, mute replies and never look at the thread again.
When every single time someone screams "China bad" there is at least one person protesting it, a more open-minded person starts to doubt the official narrative, even if only by a little bit. I basically got exposed to left-wing ideas for the first time from the few people who bothered responding to these idiots.
I'm not saying posting is praxis, but...
Don't. Downvote that shit with a bunch of alts and move on. The algorithms feed off of interactions.
You don't. Make a couple easily digestible, generic posts citing one or two sources, copy-paste them when appropriate, mute replies, and move on hoping you at least planted a seed in somebody's mind.
For example: I wrote a short post calling Adrian Zenz a hack and citing his book about how "Gender equality is the work of the Anti-Christ" and linking to this 2018 video of Collin Powell's chief of staff talking about how the US government could use Uyghurs to destabilize China. I also mention how the Uyghur population grows faster than the Han population and how they were exempt from the one-child policy when it was still in effect.
What response do they have to this? No clue, I have never read one.
Anytime a dumb lib screeches 'WhAtAbOuTiSm!!!' I like to hit them with this:
Ahh, yes, ‘whataboutism' - a term coined by big brained westoids who don't like their hypocrisy being pointed out when they’re virtue signaling about shit they've historically done exponentially worse themselves.
"it's really idiotic to make any and every conversation about china about le concentration camps and then when someone points out that your country does the same or worse things and you don't care half as much, complain that that's changing the subject"
I turned off notifications of replies/messages on :reddit-logo: a while ago. I don't hardly post on there or read shit that is just going to make me mad on purpose. but every once in a while, some fuckstick pukes some hot garbo somewhere I wasn't expecting, and I'll just sound off on them with both barrels. usually some anti-west, anti-US, anti-capitalist framing with max provocation for The Most Propagandized Country. and then I go back to my day and never look at what followed.
i see the number next to my name increase, but I never click it to see responses. I think of it as my score.
This is the only way to use Reddit. Eviscerate people and never look back. Or post completely innocuous 30 minute videos about KSP missions to Eeloo or whatever, capped off by planting a Russian / Chinese / Venezuelan flag.
Don't do it. It is not worth your time, believing in convincing the lurkers is just wishful thinking. They are the same liberals that despite knowing nothing about China/Russia jump on the first MSM consensus. You spend days/months trying to educate people just to see all that work lost overnight.
Every so often you'll get through to someone but you've really got to be on your shit and be responding to a topic in which you're pretty well versed
Honestly, I think the best way to do it is just to point out that garbage content is garbage content, no matter what your views are. It's what I did back when Trump was president and every top sub was filled with the same lazy-ass one-line tweets from Jeff Tiedrich and Co.
"I don't like Trump, but this doesn't belong on this sub"
"Trump is bad, but this is just a lame tweet that's been reposted a hundred times"
"Fuck Trump, but this isn't good content"
It may not change them politically, but it might at least make them realize that they're being way too hysterical by ranting about their political delusions in a place where it doesn't belong. Anytime you can shine at least a little self-awareness on how deranged Westoids are, I think it helps at least a little and is a tiny step in getting them out of the mould.
in the translation to this situation it would be good to find a way to communicate “you’re being hysterical” without the initial concession
Oh for sure, in this particular case the initial concession isn't necessary. I would just say something like "imagine what this site would look like if every post about something that happened in the U.S. was filled with irrelevant comments complaining about issues in American politics. That's what you're doing now."
Some people in that thread actually did say something similar to that and they were surprisingly upvoted, so I think it actually is a good strategy for getting R*dditors to think and process the word "China" without immediately going berserk with their usual bullshit.
I just wanna say that the source video in that thread is amazing. I always get blown away when I see the scale of Chinese infrastructure, not that other countries including America don't have huge and awesome things to look at, the Chinese ones just exist on a completely unique scale owing to that country's density.
