But people said the same thing about photography and painting 150 years ago!

This is entirely different from that. Landscaping had aesthetic value after photography because people were able to embellish and stylize landscapes in ways they didn't actually exist in real life. There is no way to "escape" from AI into more stylization. All it takes is enough of those new stylized images and it'll be able to replicate it. This is different from photography because photography can't learn.

But people want human expression!

Yes, they do, but they'll probably only realize this after a couple decades of art [almost] completely uninspired by the human condition and depression and anxiety skyrockets. In the short term, people will only care that they can type into a field and get what they want without any significant investment. Good luck finding an art job that isn't just making prompts in that economy (And if you say that making prompts is the same as being a painter or illustrator, yes it is art but no it isn't the same and fuck you).

I rest my case, art automation is cool but under capitalism it'll only be used to devalue artists further, and drive them deeper into poverty. It would be a great tool in a society capable of regulating itself but WE DON'T LIVE IN THAT SOCIETY AND I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO POINT THAT OUT.

STOP LISTENING TO :melon-musk: :debatebro-l: AND SUPPORT YOUR ARTIST COMRADES NOW

Now that I got your attention with my inflammatory statements, please commission your artist comrades and support them in their struggle to exist in what is already a very punishing world to live in. I promise to give any of you that do big hugs, I love you all, and bye.

  • BynarsAreOk [none/use name]
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    Technology isn't the problem and I stand by that. The problem is capitalism and if that is your message then I agree 100%. But with regards to the techonology itself we are still at least 1 or 2 decades away from this shit becoming good enough to actualy replace artists. I think that you are underestimating just how corporations actualy deal with artists, the instances where the whole workflow can be dumbed down by a single sentence or a few lines is actualy rare, though some industries are definitely worse than others.

    The biggest impact will be where artist creativity isn't all that important to begiin with, advertising for example is a huge waste of time for everyone and I think taking people away from working on art for shit like that is not bad actualy.

    Same thing for the majority of corporate software and design garbage bullshit. Do you realy need a human being to work hours a day designing buttons or icons? Who will ever give a shit about that? Right away you can't say this is all bad. You can't argue this point without sounding like a luddite, photoshop vs traditional art is a dead argument, let alone software like Zbrush.

    So lets get to the worst parts say the game industry. Even here you can tell at least half of the stuff is already made through generic means. Think asset bundles(and then flipping). Procedural art i.e texturing, animation is huge already.

    If you think Dall-e is a game changer then you don't know half of it, the modern workflow in the AAA industry is already highly artificial. Just look at UE5 and how much they are pushing the idea of massive content creation.

    So this isn't imo even all that useful yet, you wont see AAA studios rushing to make an environment or character through Dall-e. Not for a long time, 10-20 years at least. And then there is Hollywood where artists are already being exploited to shit because the absurd workload. Now if you imagine an SFX studio maybe cutting workload by 10 or 30% is that realy bad?

    Some people will lose their jobs for sure. But if the job is a 10-12h daily crunch in a SFX company is that even bad? For everyone else not suffering through the absurd grind and shit conditions, I say it is still far too early, come back in a decade. Even if somehow AI software becomes that good then I am not sure how the general public is going to react.

    Realy ask yourself would you watch a movie that just popped into existence? Complete ai generated voices, ai generated models, environment, effects. All that was necessary is one guy writing a complete script. Maybe you'd watch the best ones. But the majority would be so incredibly generic I doubt you'd give a shit past a certain point.

    Heck just look at the entertainment industry today, do you even care about all the work and effort behind the dogshit streaming shows out there? You can't because for those artists it is not about art anymore but about making money. As I said at the start the problem is capitalism not technology.