• Aria@lemmygrad.ml
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    6 months ago

    Over 10000 civilians have been killed because it couldn't be done sooner, but I really hope this and France's position will finally mean the end of this cursed war. This is obviously good news and I'm grateful to Italy but it's difficult not to be angry and bitter with the state of the world thinking about how easily it could've been avoided or stopped at any point along the way.

      • Olifant@lemmy.ml
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        6 months ago

        Jesus Christ, it's like saying WW2 wouldn't have had to drag on as long as it did because all Allied countries could have just surrendered to Hitler.

    • frippa@lemmy.ml
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      6 months ago

      Well, they're doing it, and there are (at least, that we know of) 8 US military bases and over 11k US military personnel on Italian soil, they killed civilians with impunity more than one time.

      For example: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_Cavalese_cable_car_crash

      They're usually tried in US courts where they're handed a slap on the wrist and Italian courts can't do anything about it.

    • tiredturtle@lemmy.ml
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      6 months ago

      The headline is a bit misleading. The article elaborates some, for example:

      In other remarks, Crosetto said that if Russian troops were to occupy Kyiv, it would "inevitably lead to a clash with other nations, which would not accept Russian tanks on their borders."

      European nations have been voicing the need of peace from the beginning, it's just that the negotiating third parties can't get Russia to participate in a dialogue. Which leads to desperate stuff like France asking for China to do their part (desperate because they'd need some unlikely deal incentive to flip).

      • ∞🏳️‍⚧️Edie [it/its]@lemmygrad.ml
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        6 months ago

        the negotiating third parties can’t get Russia to participate in a dialogue

        Did my brain just make shit up or didn't they nearly get to peace very early on1? Or are you saying that after Russia participated in a dialogue and Ukraine pulled out, they haven't been willing to participate in any new talks?

        • tiredturtle@lemmy.ml
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          6 months ago

          I was thinking of that situation as well, and I remember there was some foul play around that plan. The gist might have been that the Russian envoy did appear at the location but wouldn't negotiate. Time will tell if we ever find out the truth.

          • ∞🏳️‍⚧️Edie [it/its]@lemmygrad.ml
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            6 months ago

            The gist might have been that the Russian envoy did appear at the location but wouldn’t negotiate

            https://www.yahoo.com/news/die-welt-publishes-peace-deal-230752941.html

            https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-negotiator-confirms-several-long-conversations-took-place-with-ukrainian-2022-04-22/

            https://www.livemint.com/news/world/putin-publicly-shows-draft-of-peace-treaty-signed-by-russia-ukraine-in-2022-watch-11687136116863.html