The shopkeepers "Fuck vault dwellers" speech has my hopes up that this show won't be lib trash, but I dislike that the main girl is really Libby about Vault-Tec "Um actually you're technically stealing Vault-Tec property which is wrong" also lol at her still having perfect eyeliner after being in the wasteland for days.
And not liking how one of the "good guys" is a Brotherhood of Steel type, I really hope they don't make the Brotherhood a "good" faction because they kinda aren't.
I'm assuming it's a character arc thing and things become less lib later, here's hoping. Because this show is freaking awesome in every other aspect. They really nailed the tone and setting. The sets and props are so cool as well.
I'm assuming The Ghoul isn't as mean as he first appears because he didn't hurt that chicken, and he fixed up the dog.
sigh I miss @UlyssesT@hexbear.net, he would have had so much to say about this show.
- Show
Hexbearians greeting UlyssesT after his return from exile to tell us all how that thing we like sucks actually
You're mythologizing, those thousand words would be spread out over an argument with every poster in the thread. Dude was insufferable
They're not a trustworthy judge, that's the same person that thought women had True Crime Brain for preferring the bear to the man in the woods.
UlyssesT was eminently sufferable.
It should have been a bear or a bowl of m&ms but some are poison
Truly one of the best posters I've ever had the pleasure to have been hit with a soyjak by.
He'd also insist the majority of the site agreed with his take while arguing with over half the active users.
The show will deliver.
The girl grew up in a vault under propaganda.
The brotherhood is not the fallout 3/4 branch.
Lucy wants to make the world better. Truly deeply, but has no understanding of the world or what better means.
Good, that's what I was hoping (that it's going to do some growth and these characters are going to have to examine the propaganda they've been raised on)
The brotherhood actually are partly the east coast branch. The airship is the one from 4.
Fallout 4 says that Maxson reunited both east and west faction (no comment on semi-canon Midwest group from Tactics) to create the new fascist BoS in that game. Which is what is in the show.
Oh dang. I didn’t realize.
I assumed they were West Coast because they were fucking losers and not the Bestest Good Guys from Fallout 3?
The ones in 4 had a much more old-school BoS ideology. The old elder died, his heir disappeared (presumed dead?), and the next guy changed them back, reintegrated the outcasts, and rejoined the main faction over the radio. Imo it's kind of a lazy retcon. But yeah anyway IIRC the airship that shows up in the show is the same one that they had on the east coast in 4 (the Prydwen).
This also establishes that the BoS ending in 4 is canon because IIRC it gets blowed up in every other ending.
Small correction, minutemen don't have to blow up the prydwyn, you can if you want to but it's a bit like parthanax, you don't have to to progress the story
It makes sense, of course the people LARPing as colonizers would support the fascists.
i read the vault people more as smiling hitlerjugend than libs, all that talk about breeding & coming colonization of the surface
yeah except in typical corporate brained bethesda manner they made the vault dwellers completely multi-ethnic, losing any resonance the whole thing might have to anything actually happening in the real world. Same thing as in Starfield where you have a faction of cowboy-larping-muh-taxes-libertarian-dudebros who are just as ethnically diverse as the san-francisco-liberal faction on the other side of the galaxy.
losing any resonance the whole thing might have to anything actually happening in the real world
just because it doesn't replicate the exact racial dynamics of historical and contemporary colonization doesn't mean it doesn't have anything to say about it
that's like saying district 9 doesn't have anything to say about apartheid because it's being used against aliens
True enough, it's just impossible to tell where corporate diversity casting ends and actual artistic intent starts. It's very strange to do the whole 1950s nostalgia thing "just without the racism" and then let the black woman do the "we need to secure a future for our children" speech and then also have that same black woman start a conspiracy to end the world for that specific purpose.
It's a very very strange show. There are parts which are supposed to feel resonant that just aren't (the whole vault tec conspiracy or the cold fusion/unlimited green energy stuff) and things that feel like the writers are telling on themselves (no idea if the "breeding the perfect middle manager" bit is hard-hitting satire or just executive brained).
I think comparing it to District 9's message about apartheid, where the aliens are legally-defined second-class citizens and are (IIRC) only ever referred to with a fictional racial slur, just makes Fallout seem even more shallow. At most, it's a wealthy/poor analogy, saying "the wealthy feel abstractly bad about the poor but are too comfortable in their gated communities to do anything meaningful", but imo even that is being generous given very similar dynamics are shown in the inhabited vaults from F3 onwards.
I think it's more about American exceptionalism. The vault dwellers are so sure they're the only ones who can rebuild society, only for us to find out that 1) the "impure" surface dwellers already did it, and 2) vault tec is responsible for destroying that new society (or at least a critical part of it). You can tie that very clearly to colonialist justifications that destroying indigenous societies was good because they were "backward" unlike the supposedly enlightened west, and more recently neocolonial policies that continue to destroy the global south so it can be remade into a new frontier for capital
Lucy gets better at the end. Or at least starts to lol.
I know Maximus is stuck in an evil cult but he's cute
I was really happy with how the show turned out and the direction it took. I felt it really delivered, so don't be too worried. I had some similar concerns especially regarding the Brotherhood of Steel before watching, but the show gets that they're not good guys.
I thought theyvreally nailed it as an adaptation of the setting. My favorite thing about Fallout is that its not speculative fiction. Its not about a possible future, its about what people in the height of the Atomic Age thought the future would be. There's this massive contridiction in that period where on the one hand you have the height of Americana - that trademark psychotic optimism - and on the other hand the fear of nuclear annihilation. Fallout explores that contridiction - or rather resolves it by recognizing that the US is fascist. The show, i felt, got that and delievered.
it's a character arc thing. honestly i think there's some great character work throughout the season
Oh thank god.
You never know these days whether an adaptation of satire understands the satire or is playing it straight
I've watched the whole show and I think Lucy's character works. She's ignorant and she gets a few big doses of reality along the way -- a good vault dweller in the tradition of the Vault Dweller from Fallout 1 or the Lone Wanderer from Fallout 3.
I hated the first few episodes, started to like it in the second half, and then hated the last episode. Imo most of the interesting stuff happens either in flashbacks or is implied off-screen. She becomes a bit more of a realist but still stays a "good" person.
As an aside I find the weird way it engages in fanservice intriguing. Like, yeah, look at all the power armor and vertibirds, or some guy has a 10mm pistol, oooh stimpaks. But it doesn't go full out. Ghoul man has a weird subsonic revolver thing that's not in any games that I remember. The Boneyard, The Hub, Vault City? Never heard of 'em.
The Boneyard, The Hub, Vault City? Never heard of 'em.
Neither have the writers of this show. You'd be kidding yourself if you thought they used anything pre-Fallout 3 for reference for this show.
The game takes place only around LA. The Shady Sands depicted should have been the Boneyard (the only way it makes sense if they moved the government from the location from 2 and took the name with it). The hub was more north but should be mentioned as it was still big. Vault city is much further away. It’s even above San Francisco (another settlement) in latitude which is 600km from LA by road.
Imo they really just didn't care about scale or where things were at all. There's a lot of wandering around but not a lot of things because they'd rather not worry about it.
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Also Kyle Mclachlan makes it to New Vegas in 30 seconds (sort of).
She goes through a lot in eight episodes and has abandoned her Vault-Tec brand naivete by the end for very good reasons
If you look at the show on its own it's totally fine entertainment (way better than anything westworld certainly), but as an adaptation of a videogame series called Fallout it takes out everything that might make an adaptation of that series interesting while also making the source material much less interesting and resonant in the process. I might do a longer write-down at some point if I feel like it, but it's 100 percent "Bethesda™s Fallout: Skyrim with Guns Edition" taking over the series and its lore. There is some stuff that is good and works (the brotherhood guy is exactly the type of facist dudebro the brotherhood would create) but also so much of it just feels like corporate-brained nonsense.
the brotherhood guy is exactly the type of facist dudebro the brotherhood would create
True, but that just makes him a weirder choice, because he brings essentially nothing to the story - his character development has been mostly him falling for Lucy, therefore coincidentally doing Good Thing, and looking glum when asked "what if the Brotherhood... is the Brother-no-good?" because his character is written as ignorant and uncommunicative, leaving him incapable of expressing reasons or arguments for his actions (outside of the excellent acting - his expressions as he relishes his newfound power were perfect).
...wait, he's just the first ten minutes of Finn from Star Wars dragged out over a season.
My head canon is that anything todd howard touches is not canon, and because feminism ruined gaming i literally can't enjoy anything without seething over the treatment of women within the text.
have fun :)
My head canon is that anything todd howard touches is not canon,
This but unironically!
the main girl is really Libby about Vault-Tec "Um actually you're technically stealing Vault-Tec property which is wrong"
Haven't watched the show and probably won't, but pretty realistic that the "Umm, you're costing the company money by pirating" dorks would persist even through an apocalypse.
I'm watching it today this is what I saw popped up that convinced me it has some substance to try jt.
https://youtu.be/g1kfg1Ha5Rs?si=BVgja8liUI07I3pw
P R I S T E G E T V 
I thought he was sufferable
