How Stalin starved Ukraine
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I called someone out on the groupchat for saying that if communist orgs can hand out leaflets with Lenin on them he should be able to do nazi salutes in public. He claimed Lenin killed millions and said “ever heard of the holodomor genocide”. I talked about how the famines weren’t a genocide (and how he'd actually been dead for almost a decade before they happened) and later said radlib came in, claimed Lenin oppressed all the people of the USSR (but admitted he helped Ukraine), posted this video and left

    • HornyOnMain
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      2 years ago

      I called the first guy a fucking idiot and a fascist apologist, but I think I’ll only make headway with the slava ukraini lib by pretending to respect him in the first place

    • BowlingForDeez [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      I've had some success with engaging with libs if they are open to good faith conversation.

        • BowlingForDeez [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          No, probably not. I would personally not watch the Stalin spoon video and would respond with some actual facts on the 1933 famine. But "Holodomor" is a touchy subjects for libs with Eastern European ancestry, especially now that Ukraine at large is a spicy subject.

            • BowlingForDeez [he/him]
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              2 years ago

              I feel like "double holocaust" is too in the weeds for most libs to already have a grasp of. If they're "HUNDRED MILLION DEAD" types then pointing out the Black Book of Communism is bullshit has been effective. Also pointing out that the Holodomor narrative was started by literal occupying Nazis is a good start.

              The thing is that libs have so much bullshit to fall back on that if you counter any point they make, they will switch immediately to another attack and ignore whatever bullshit they were spewing a minute ago. Point out the myths of holodomor, they will switch immediately to "but Gulags" or something else.

              • RikerDaxism [it/its]
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                2 years ago

                I thought it was spread by hearst press (still fascist assholes aligned with the nazi party) before the occupation?

              • ShimmeringKoi [comrade/them]
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                2 years ago

                It's like a duel where you gotta be ready to parry every single fuckin blow, but on the plus side we already know their rhetorical manual of arms because liberalism is what what we ourselves were first trained in

                • BowlingForDeez [he/him]
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                  2 years ago

                  Yeah goin onto leftist forums, posting my lib takes and getting them shot down was excellent practice for real life. One of my childhood friends is a turbo lib, literally works in politics. But when we talked about China I felt like Neo. All I saw was ones and zeros. Every argument he said had been said a thousand times before.

          • CommieElon [he/him]
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            2 years ago

            If I ever see my Ukrainian relatives I’m going to say isn’t most of the infrastructure in Ukraine built under Soviet rule and see how well that does.