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  • StellarTabi [none/use name]
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    2 years ago

    A man who is obsessed with vending machines is crushed by one as he tries to protect it from crashing to the ground. He's reincarnated as a vending machine in a fantasy world. Though he wants to see what the world has to offer, he's unable to move or talk, because, well, he's a vending machine. Help comes in the form of an adventurer named Lammis who agrees to carry him around on her back, granting his wish and setting the stage for vending machine themed adventures.

    Yes, I read theory.

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          • Cromalin [she/her]
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            2 years ago

            i would definitely recommend the first episode which had me hooting and hollering because of isekai burnout similar to what you describe. talentless nana was very similar

          • GorbinOutOverHere [comrade/them]
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            2 years ago

            idk why this person is even talking about ecchi or whatever, it's literally what you want to watch re: isekai and you'll see why in the first episode. If you want I can just spoil it for you and tell you exactly how it handles the isekai genre

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                This really spoils the first episode, which is like a build up to what is meant to be a VERY surprising twist, like, the first episode is meant to shock you so this will absolutely spoil that

                it's a world where people (iirc just the Japanese? idk I watched half of it) who get isekai'd come with phenomenal and in many cases uncontrollable power that can cause a lot of devastation, so, as a principle they are executed on sight. Which is why the english title is "The Executioner and Her Way of LIfe." The first episode has a kid sent over from Japan who is at first extremely excited until it turns out he has no magic or ability or money and is starving and shit. Then he meets the main character, who after ascertaining his highly destructive ability, summarily executes him. That's the basic premise for the world

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                other, separate spoilers that also spoil episode 2

                from there it goes off into yuri adventure after she meets an isekai'd girl whose power prevents her from being killed! so, she kind of has to Figure That One Out

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  • WoofWoof91 [comrade/them]
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    when isekai protagonists were women: characters feel like actual people, not a ridiculous power fantasy, little to no :awooga:, not overtly fascist
    now that isekai protagonsts are dudes: one note characters, ludicrous power fantasy, all the :awooga:, paedophilia, slavery is good

  • Sea_Gull [they/them]
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    2 years ago

    It's a very paternalistic way of approaching worldbuilding. This new world can't have complexity like the one you came from. Its rules can be predicted by a generic videogame or it's just a copy pasted videogame world.

    There's rarely a humbling situation like you would see if you wound up in a foreign country you know nothing about. If there is, it's just played for laughs or a situation where the world is wrong and not the protagonist

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  • abc [he/him, comrade/them]
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    LitRPG can be good but them merging with Isekai really fucking brought out the worst in both genres --- if the story isn't about 'oooh wow this is like that one video game i played...i know how to powergame this civilization into basically becoming my sex slaves' it is always something equivalent to 'i was put in this world and i'm the only one who actually knows how to use these spells/skills/game mechanics that this civilization i was dropped into has been apparently living with for centuries!'

    Like fine, you wanna throw a goddamn Status screen at me out of the blue with numbers, skill descriptions, and damage equations - fine. I will happily flip past that because god knows it'll be mentioned again when its actually needed. Just actually make the story about something other than 'wow this is a world with skills and stats exactly like an RPG!'

    The only isekai/LitRPG stories I've read/watched in the last five/six years that have been actually decent are: The Salamanders (this one's just pure litrpg and honestly more about trauma, friendship, etc with a 'teenagers at a school to learn how to be dungeon explorers & live in a fantasy world where you can 'level up'' setting), Wandering Inn (more isekai than litrpg but actually well written for being a web-serial. still suffers from the cliche 'wow people from earth are so much stronger than literal world-powers' and 'we still have phones/technology and can repair/charge them with magic' but thankfully the author has avoided the worst of it), and The Gods Are Bastards (which gets way more praise than it should, but was genuinely super well written with an interesting cast of characters and worldbuilding...up until the author decided that they were gonna have the kitsune and dryads both be the races created by...drumroll the people from earth who created the whole world and essentially became the first gods :very-intelligent: there's even a light-sabre that gets used!! wow!! thankfully the author put it on a never-ending hiatus pretty soon after that.)

    All that to say, isekai/litrpg sucks and I read a ton of them :ursus-hexagonia:

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      2 years ago

      All that to say, isekai/litrpg sucks and I read a ton of them

      This me fr fr

      :Hoggers:

    • WhatDoYouMeanPodcast [comrade/them]
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      2 years ago

      I wrote a third of a story about a :freeze-gamer: who was at the launch of the world's most anticipated VRMMO 100 years in the future. I put numbers on the power levels, the movement speed, and the in-game currency. I think going full LitRPG is boring and it takes away from a character's ability to be creative. The narrative is in first person and it's portrayed like, "I know about all the spell descriptions, damage calculations, and optimizations, but I'm not going to bore you with it. What I want to talk about is the interpersonal drama in my hardcore guild and the streamers that associate with us."

  • SorosFootSoldier [he/him, they/them]
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    2 years ago

    I'm just really upset at Japan's otaku culture and obsession with lolicon in general, harem shit plays into this. It seriously alienates me from modern anime.

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                • CriticalOtaku [he/him]
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                  CSM is the one piece of media in any format (that I've seen recently) that actively engaged and reckons with what it means to live under the hell world that is late-stage capitalism.

                  Which also means we have to deal with themes like objectification of women and grooming, and said commentary gets smuggled in 'poison pill' style to otaku with a thematic bait -and-switch.

                  Idk what your tolerance for horny male gaze camera is, and I get that "it's in service to the story" only goes so far before it rings hollow, but for what it's worth CSM is the only show I'd go to bat for.

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                    • CriticalOtaku [he/him]
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                      2 years ago

                      Yeah, it's deffo not Gambo style reveling in the misery. It's out to make a point, and that point is how much capitalism sucks.

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                      2 years ago

                      Didn’t One Punch Man kind of do that too?

                      Sorry was at work earlier so I couldn't give a longer reply, and I kinda want to address this cos I think it does raise an interesting comparison:

                      OPM kinda does that, in a postmodern ironic sense, but it hyper-fixates on the alienation of labour (why Mumen Rider is sorta a foil character to Saitama, in that he's the true proletarian hero who is not alienated from his labour but is completely disempowered and he just like me frfr), and imo one of OPM's big failings is that it gets lost in the sauce and doesn't posit a way out of that alienation, to the best of my knowledge. (I haven't followed OPM in a while, although I read the manga a bit further on from where S1 of the anime adapted.) Funnily enough, it's like criticism of Mark Fisher's work on Capitalist Realism we've seen sometimes, in that it's not enough to point out that we're stuck in capitalist realism but we also need a way out. Not that I think it was on Fisher to supply that answer.

                      CSM is kinda cuts out the irony in favour of this over the top absurdity (in the Camus sense) that's part of the point, that "life under capitalism is just a bullshit sandwich so why not have a cherry on top" kinda thing, coupled with a deep, deep, searing sincerity. It's post-postmodern, and it cuts to the quick in wasting no time in pointing out what is wrong with the world from literally the first chapter (spoilers: that the powerful want more power and will step on everyone else to get it) AND it posits a solution to that problem, even if it is a classic: Eat the Rich.

                  • Goblinmancer [any]
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                    2 years ago

                    Isnt CSM the one where the MC got groomed by a girlboss? at least that girlboss is potrayed as a villain.

                    Oh and there's also that eyepatch woman who SAed a teenage boy too.

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                      • Cromalin [she/her]
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                        chainsaw man is incredible. read the manga, which avoids most of the :awooga: in the anime

                        it's very much critical of its own horniness, and i think is actually a really cutting critique of the way shitty harem anime (among other things) treat sex and sexuality, and the aforementioned stuff is treated very critically and not for fanservice (in the manga. as mentioned the anime is a little :awooga:)

                        also: important to note that it is never horny for minors (even once it starts introducing high schoolers) and is only rarely horny for adults

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                        Denji is 16

                        Tbf most of the icky stuff are potrayed as traumatizing/bad.

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                            CW for SA:

                            Hate how goblin slayer justify killing goblin children because all goblins are ontologically evil. Along with the whole "they are raping our women" (while showing :awooga: shots of women being raped) shtick goblin slayer seems to be really fascist as shit. Honestly as a guy with Muslim sounding name it's pretty disturbing considering how fascists often accuse POC of being rapists while somehow believing that women are just making false rape allegations whenever the accusations are against celebrities.

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    :lea-smug: crosscode is an isekai game and was pretty good tho.

    spoiler

    Tbf the MC turns out to be a sentient "NPC" so it lacks the "hahaha its okay to mistreat others they aren't' even real!"

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  • ComradeChairmanKGB [comrade/them]
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    2 years ago

    To me the video game elements are a lazy crutch for the creators. Who needs a coherent and interesting magic system when you have video game skills? Who needs a deep and original world when you can settle for Generic video game fantasy #206468 with npcs. Just compare trash like Sword Art Online or Shield Hero to any actual fantasy series and it becomes very clear what's going on.

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    It is a weird evolution. People noticed plot holes and wrote fanfiction where they munchkined the powers stem and that was more fun to than the original work. So instead of writing better worlds they just got in on the fun of making fun of their own terrible worlds.

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      • UnicodeHamSic [he/him]
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        I am pretty sure I already read one of those.

        The aliens that did that just got weird with it though. They realized it was all pointless and watching them be silly little dudes made the humans get depressed and give up. The other races just got silly with it for fun as well and made fun of us for being all serious. It did explain how everything in star trek ToS was so dumb though. Most the aliens we met were larping, and we were good npcs for their games

  • CriticalOtaku [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    I just want Vision of Escaflowne back QQ

    A guess the one silver lining is that the new hotness is isekai where the protag fucks off to the country side with his busty 30 something girlfriend to start a farm instead of save the world.

    • UnicodeHamSic [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      There is a specific beauty about the 90s thing where fantasy is for girls and sci fi is for boys.

      You can have mech battles but if you have a harem of boys there needs to be a dragon in it.

      • Gosplan14_the_Third [none/use name]
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        2 years ago

        Then there's shows like Magic Knight Rayearth, which is a 1994/1995 Mecha Shojo Isekai.

        spoiler

        Even if mechs only show up in the imo better S2.

      • CriticalOtaku [he/him]
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        Uncharitably saying that 90's Japanese pop culture reflected that boys must be forced to relive the trauma of losing WW2 well into the future (just with giant robots) while a strong independent young woman who has her choice of romantic partners was confined to the realm of fantasy.

        Memes aside realistically it probably was everyone bandwagoning Miyazaki and Tomino. Then Anno came and fucked everything up.

  • FuckYourselfEndless [ze/hir]
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    2 years ago

    Brave Story's the earliest one I can think of that operates explicitly on video game logic and it suffered for it. Wasn't terrible though. But video game logic is creeping into general narrative art more and more. I think Liz from TrueAnon was mentioning that, or maybe it was Matt Christman lately, I can't remember.

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      • Gosplan14_the_Third [none/use name]
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        .hack//SIGN (2002) is pretty good.

        It's by Patlabor writer Kazunori Ito and while it's a video game Isekai, it actually does not forget about the fact that the characters are real people and that it's a video game where there are odd mechanics, specific playerbase behaviors because it's a game (and not IRL) and no cheats.

        Great soundtrack too.

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    • Blep [he/him]
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      Struggle session would imply some disagreement. This is just a session