Some of the instances that we have chosen to defederate with have explicit political stances and ideologies. Their political stance and ideology had nothing to do with the choice to defederate. The choice to defederate was based on the amount of hate speech present on the instance and/or explicitly endorsing it.

What fucking hate speech, you weasly, lying shitlib. Your kind cheers on Russian deaths, calling them “orcs”, then you have the audacity to accuse us of hate speech? Go on, make more orientalist posts about China, and then come back and lecture us on hate speech.

The only “hate speech” I have is the hate for your dogshit, genocidal politics.

Our instance explicitly disallows and bans bigotry, and he’s going around posting this shit

Edit: And thinking about it more, the admins are basically agreeing going "fuck the devs we would switch off if we could", after everything the devs did to placate them, offering to pay for server hosting, putting them and not us on the reccomended server list, explicitly pinning posts asking people to go else where, and they're still shitting on them for "muh evil tankies!!!". The devs should have never listened to these whining liberals, and I think should maybe defederate from beehaw themselves like holy fuck you can't trust liberals for anything

  • PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml
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    1 year ago

    Our instance explicitly disallows and bans bigotry, and he’s going around posting this shit

    Also note that basically everyone banned for bigotry on lemmy was from beehaw, sopuli, feddit and other lib instance. Even Dessalines activated when the shitlibs started malding about being banned and told them it is how it is.

    • ImOnADiet@lemmygrad.ml
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      1 year ago

      exactly it's racism and thinly veiled hate speech central over there (I dare you to find one positive post about China), and yet this is the excuse they use for defederating from us? I wish Dessalines and nutomic weren't so nice (ironically), they should have been clapped for this awhile ago

  • knfrmity@lemmygrad.ml
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    1 year ago

    Your kind cheers on Russian deaths, calling them “orcs”, then you have the audacity to accuse us of hate speech? Go on, make more orientalist posts about China, and then come back and lecture us on hate speech.

    That's almost precisely the point. These shitlibs don't consider that type of speech "political." They have such a warped idea of what politics is. That kind of speech isn't hateful and political in their tiny brains, it's "common sense" and apolitical. Politics for them is exclusively Team Red vs. Team Blue, or whatever the local colours are.

    • coderade@lemmygrad.ml
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      1 year ago

      It’s not politics if it’s just common sense. Capitalism is the end of history. It doesn’t get any better than this. Stop questioning so much

      (/s)

  • Black AOC@lemmygrad.ml
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    1 year ago

    Honestly, ban 'em all to a man, tear down their instance, and blacklist the creation of names like it, I say. They wanna whinge, whine, mald, and tantrum about the kinds of people who built this motherfucker for them, the people who had this place warm for them when they first turned up and started colonizing, cool.

    They clearly don't need the hard drive space they're taking up. Fuck 'em, fuck their feelings, fuck what flimsy 'convictions' they have, fuck their mealy-mouthed mod staff.

    • pyska@lemmygrad.ml
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      1 year ago

      Wait, chill. Won't comments like this give them an example of "hate-speech" they can use against this instance? If they lie, it's their problem. Hopefully their users realize it, but if not, we don't need to feed into their narrative and prove their point. This is my opinion, anyway.

      Edit: I have already been convinced I was wrong. I'll still leave this comment up, despite the downvotes, so that replies still make sense.

        • pyska@lemmygrad.ml
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          1 year ago

          I just meant it was an aggressive tone, which might put off new members. Also, I might have equated "hate speech" with speech in which you show hate for something (ex, an admin team). Which is clearly wrong looking back, but I won't edit it now.

          • GarbageShootAlt@lemmygrad.ml
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            1 year ago

            Do as you will, I just suggest not conflating the two in the future. I think if anything communicating a passionate disdain for people like Beehaw's lying admins (along with Democrats, Republicans, Blairites, etc) would be a positive for new user interest.

      • Black AOC@lemmygrad.ml
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        1 year ago

        From where I sit, they'll take anything that isn't full-throated subordination as hate speech; so why play their game? I literally do not give the first fuck about what they think. You do raise a fair point; but only in the context of if you're willing to play the game by their conditions. Which I'm not.

        • nephs@lemmygrad.ml
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          1 year ago

          I stand strongly with you, comrade.

          But. Public words matter. And I agree with the other comrade that commented this. We should be able to control our tone to the forum we're in. There's place for easy words, there's place for kindness, there's place for anger.

          Front pages in here should be overwhelmingly thoughtful, in my opinion. And then there's a place for trash talk somewhere less front facing, in here.

          Plain angered reasoning won't convince many people to hear us.

          Edit: actually, I'm wrong this is freechat, fuck them.

  • ☭ Comrade Pup Ivy 🇨🇺@lemmygrad.ml
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    1 year ago

    I, I have no words, WE went though all of this, they tried to get us blackballed because we were communists, lead the charge to get every instance to block us because we refused to be liberals, and now they are saying that, our being communist had nothing to do with defederating? Do they expect us to have no memory, or do they expect the new exidus to fall for it, and renew the push on Lemmy.ml and Lemmy.world ect. to blackball us agian. We have and always will stand aganst hate speech and against fascism. If you bothered to listen to us maybe you would know that, but once more all I can say is BEEHAW SHAKES FIST

    • CannotSleep420@lemmygrad.ml
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      1 year ago

      our being communist had nothing to do with defederating?

      Silly tankie. Don't you know that anyone who isn't part of the US state department compatible left isn't a real communist? /j

      Do they expect us to have no memory, or do they expect the new exidus to fall for it, and renew the push on Lemmy.ml and Lemmy.world ect. to blackball us agian.

      Since we're talking about an exodus of redditors, they might not even need the push to defederate.

  • loathsome dongeater@lemmygrad.ml
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    1 year ago

    How do liberals not suffocate under the burden of their own farts?

    Pictured below: Pearl clutching liberals "soft" forking Lemmy with no code changes for "moral reasons"

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  • Ratboy@lemmy.ml
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    1 year ago

    I created my first account on beehaw, but when i realized that they blocked this instance I created a lemmy.ml account. I engaged with someone on that post who was surprised that hate speech was being thrown around here. I said "it's because theyre marxist leninist, go look for yourself" and they were so confused because there was no hate speech to be found. Essentially they were like "um I don't agree with MLs on a lot of things, but they aren't nazis. So what's the issue?" So I'm positive that there are people being turned away who otherwise would want to interact with y'all.

    It's pretty fucked that they are equating discourse here to hate speech because of course people aren't going to do their own investigating. They will just assume that yall are planning the next white uprising and flinging the F slur around.

    • ImOnADiet@lemmygrad.ml
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      1 year ago

      Yeah it's pretty annoying, luckily I think beehaw is shooting themselves in the head by deferederating with lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works

  • Bl00dyH3ll@lemmygrad.ml
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    1 year ago

    1. What is beehaw even about.

    2. There should be a list of who is federated with who cause at this point its all just word of mouth.

  • Lenins2ndCat@lemmygrad.ml
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    1 year ago

    If it wasn't politically motivated then why is Hexbear blocked when it's not even a federated instance yet? You know, the only lemmy in existence that enforces visible pronouns by every single username... Hatespeech? Bullshit.