Must watch for any non-hexbear and lemmygrad instance users that are looking for a better explanation as to what lead to the Ukraine conflict. Spread it far and wide!
For a longer, more detailed analysis, see this video: https://hexbear.net/post/347122
Boy Boy’s video is pretty good too. And unlike the Gravel teens, they aren’t cowards that took it down.
Let's do a little mini dunk tank in here and read this: https://www.thedailybeast.com/gravel-institute-deleted-tweets-reveal-a-progressive-groups-ukraine-meltdown
I'll start: These dishonest little shits at the daily beast conflate the results of the Dec 1991 Ukrainian Independence Referendum with "how many people have a Ukrainian national identity". As if that referendum didn't happen in an incredibly tumultuous time in their history, in which circumstances (and a coup or two) had already made the dissolution of the soviet union very much inevitable. And you still saw 45% of ethnic russians vote for it in vain! But liberals are allergic to context.
When we say "they are a tiny minority but these neo nazis have been given disproportionate political power" liberals clap back "nuh uh they're actually a tiny minority, also look at zelensky" when the video explicitly makes clear that these people and parties do not have majority support (hence why zelensky's peace platform was popular! The problem is that he didn't stick to it.)
These dishonest little shits at the daily beast conflate the results of the Dec 1991 Ukrainian Independence Referendum with "how many people have a Ukrainian national identity". As if that referendum didn't happen in an incredibly tumultuous time in their history, in which circumstances (and a coup or two) had already made the dissolution of the soviet union very much inevitable.
It's gone back and forth, back and forth again in history. In the past year and a half though, it's completely settled. Ukraine definitely wants to be independent of Russia now.
Imagine if the internet had existed during the Vietnam war? shudders
Colin Powell would have had to cope and seethe about how the tiktok footage of the My Lai massacre was deepfaked propaganda from Ho Chi Minh
What happened to the original? I remember they were cowards and took it down but there had to be more juicy drama around that right?
AFAIK it's still not on their channel, but luckily someone decided to upload it.
i also downloaded it because I had a feeling it was gonna get removed
this UN vote is uhhhhh, interesting
Zelensky downplays the admiration for nazi collaborator and pogromist Stepan Bandera
old man shamed publicly, called a freak, for denouncing nazism
You may have seen the response video by Adam Something as well..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFGQI8P9BMg
Chewing through all this information and misinformation is so exhausting..
You may have seen the response video by Adam Something as well
https://hexbear.net/post/183296
No thanks, I’d much rather have liberals call me a Putin apologist, make weird sexual assault metaphors, and suggest the fight go down to the last Ukrainian like a Marvel movie
Ukrainian neo-Nazi leader: "We the only ones who are ready to carry out the tasks of the West"
https://web.archive.org/web/20220226122427/https://www.wardiary.net/post/ukrainian-neo-nazi-leader-we-the-only-ones-who-are-ready-to-carry-out-the-tasks-of-the-west
On February 5th, at the nationalist forum "Bandera Readings" in Kiev, the leader of the infamous neo-Nazi movement "C14" Yevgeny Karas said that they were now given so many weapons because they are "the only ones who are ready to carry out the tasks of the West", because "we have fun killing and we have fun fighting"
According to Karas, "EuroMaidan" had nothing to do with "Euro-integration" wishes, but everything to do with nationalists' wishes to change course of the country. It follows from Karas' theses that the West does not want the ultra-right to gain political power but they want for the nationalists to retain control over the street, and if needed - to "fight and kill."
https://archive.org/details/america-russia-and-ukraines-far-right
If watching that one, also worth watching this response to the video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFGQI8P9BMg
Never heard about hexbear but I guess it's the place where absolutely lost people are screaming their conspiracy theories
wow how conspiratorial that even mainstream sources were criticizing west funding far-right in Ukraine it before Feb 2022 events.
keep in mind U.S. famously funded the brave religious fundamentalists of Mujaheddin (
) to fight undermine the socialist government even before Soviets intervened there. Is it 'ridiculous' to think that U.S. is funding right wing clowns to fight Russia once again?Thanks for dropping by! Please do watch the video posted above if you get a chance. The production value alone is worth the watch!
If you want some more information on the neo-nazi problem in Ukraine, here is a list of various western (BBC, VICE, The Guardian, DW, Associated Press, TIME, etc.) sources that have documented the problem: https://hexbear.net/comment/3728530. Quite a lot of watching if you're interested! Enjoy!
ah yes, the conspiracy theories that can be found in broad daylight
Zelensky downplays the admiration for nazi collaborator and pogromist Stepan Bandera
old man shamed publicly, called a freak, for denouncing nazism
I don't see people on here saying Nazis are the reason it started so much. Most people's take is that Russia is lashing out against encirclement by opposing powers, and also to annex parts of Ukraine that according to polls, don't want to be part of Ukraine anymore.
Western funding of Nazis is just a tried and tested mechanism of levering power against a state.
It's not the reason that Russia started their offensive, but it is a fact that the CIA funds right wing militants to fight on the behalf of the USA's economic interests. They have done so time and time again throughout history, from Europe to Asia to Africa.
Now, as Ukraine rules with western support, they have outlawed left wing parties. This has rather predictably ended with higher rates of admiration of the Nazi Stepan Bandera, the repeal of labour laws, and the mass privatization of the country.
This is typical economic shock doctrine. If Ukraine wins, its people will be the new low wage manufacturers and workers for the world to use and discard for profits. If Russia wins, it's also not great at this point - they'd likely be contending with western funded guerillas, and who knows if Russia would actually reinstate the repealed labour laws and left wing parties, given that Russia itself is a capitalist oligarchy.
Can you tell us how you view the lead up to the war in Ukraine? So we have an actual conversation, rather than you telling us we're conspiracy theorists, which isn't doing you any favors.
