Proposals had been made to change Russia's nuclear doctrine to allow for attacking any non-nuclear state that had the participation or support of a nuclear state, Putin said.
Prediction: Nothing will happen, Putin will let the red line to be crossed.
The whole US strategy has been betting on Russia and China not dare to do anything while the US continues to bully the rest of the world, because nobody in Russia and China wants to start a nuclear war.
Russia had been very careful with Ukraine’s “special military operation” so as not to trigger a wider war, but even Putin knows that a nuclear attack means total war.
This is why all the talks about “US military is overstretched and won’t be able to handle multi-front wars” is nonsense, because it will never come to that. The US has placed its bets that Russia and China have decided it will be too risky to poke the US that way, and if they do get involved, they realize that what follows can only be a nuclear exchange where everyone loses.
So, the US will continue to get what it wants from the world because nobody really wants total war. It is a bold gambit but it might just be the one that works.
I think the most likely response from Putin would be to arm the Houthis/Ansarallah with advanced anti ship missiles, along with selling Iran advanced weaponry. Russia has lots of these missiles in storage, Ukraine has no navy that can be targeted with them. If NATO wants to open Pandora's box and give advanced weaponry for long range strikes to a proxy in Ukraine, Russia can absolutely do the same thing in the Middle East.
So far the only actual red line that was laid out by Russia was Ukraine joining NATO, and when that line was crossed we got the war. Pretty much all the other red lines have come from the west, like when the US said they wouldn't send missiles, tanks, F16s, and so on because it would be a dangerous escalation. Then the west would cross their own red lines, and say that see nothing bad happened.
Russia's statement on long range strikes into Russia is the second red line that was actually stated by Russia, and I don't think it's a bluff either.
That's the thing though, as long as common sense still exists and neither party is willing to use nukes aside from threats, they still have to fight the US with all the other means. That means that the US will have to cope with multiple fronts at once as the war spreads out in the world, and there must be a tipping point where they just can't handle them all anymore.
This is why the US is doing the slow trickling method, sending a few tanks and planes at a time to Ukraine to have them blown up by Russia.
It can do this for a very long time as long as it is not American servicemen who gets killed, and as long as it is not in direct open conflict with Russia and China. Instead, hundreds of thousands of soldiers from foreign countries will fight each other to their death while the US just watches by the sideline, providing materiel support and intelligence/targeting feed as needed.
i get that viewpoint but isnt there a moment where they go like am i testing my weapons and make money, or am i just training my enemy and improve their capabilities?
The true power of US imperialism lies in its financial warfare.
Every equipment blown up means new contract for the defense industries, it means GDP goes up. Doesn’t even matter if the equipment works or not - for example, F-35 is plagued with problems but still a trillion dollars were spent on it. All these contribute to the strength of the US dollar, which it can then leverage to wreck the Global South countries.
The reason the US can do this is because the fight for industrial capital had ended in the 1990s with the dissolution of the USSR. The US and Europe were able to financialize the entire un-monetized Soviet industries that they accumulated so much finance capital that it made possible the hyper-leap into fully financialized economy. This allowed the European Union, the eurozone, the WTO (previously GATT) to be formed, and the rise of Europe as a financial adversary to the US had resulted in the endless Balkan conflicts at the European peripheral (to check the European growth), the Iraq War (to prevent Saddam from selling oil in Euro), and the Ukrainian Civil War in 2015 and the current Russia-Ukraine War since 2022 (to prevent Nord Stream 1 and 2 from the provision of energy sovereignty to Europe).
Think of it this way: just as the Northern industrialists prevailing over the Southern semi-feudal slaveowners during the American Civil War enabled the proliferating industrial capital to gain so much capital from consolidating the wealth of the Southern plantation owners that it allowed America to hyperleap into the plane of fully industrialized economy. The South had made fortunes supplying raw materials like cotton to England and France that were undergoing Industrial Revolution in the 1800s - the real reason for the American Civil War because expansion of industrial capital was threatened by the reinvigoration of the slave economy thanks to the Industrial Revolution.
The American Civil War allowed the North to hyper-leap into the plane of industrial capitalism, just as how the end of the Cold War allowed America to hyper-leap into the plane of finance capitalism. War machines are no longer made to fight wars or even to be functional as were the days of industrial capitalism, but as products to make fictitious GDP goes up, which then transforms into actual American diplomatic and economic leverage over the Global South.
And the US is never going to get invaded as long as it has nukes. Any hot war necessarily means nuclear exchange, because the US military simply does not have the capacity to fight against Russia and China.
Prediction: Nothing will happen, Putin will let the red line to be crossed.
The whole US strategy has been betting on Russia and China not dare to do anything while the US continues to bully the rest of the world, because nobody in Russia and China wants to start a nuclear war.
Russia had been very careful with Ukraine’s “special military operation” so as not to trigger a wider war, but even Putin knows that a nuclear attack means total war.
This is why all the talks about “US military is overstretched and won’t be able to handle multi-front wars” is nonsense, because it will never come to that. The US has placed its bets that Russia and China have decided it will be too risky to poke the US that way, and if they do get involved, they realize that what follows can only be a nuclear exchange where everyone loses.
So, the US will continue to get what it wants from the world because nobody really wants total war. It is a bold gambit but it might just be the one that works.
I think the most likely response from Putin would be to arm the Houthis/Ansarallah with advanced anti ship missiles, along with selling Iran advanced weaponry. Russia has lots of these missiles in storage, Ukraine has no navy that can be targeted with them. If NATO wants to open Pandora's box and give advanced weaponry for long range strikes to a proxy in Ukraine, Russia can absolutely do the same thing in the Middle East.
So far the only actual red line that was laid out by Russia was Ukraine joining NATO, and when that line was crossed we got the war. Pretty much all the other red lines have come from the west, like when the US said they wouldn't send missiles, tanks, F16s, and so on because it would be a dangerous escalation. Then the west would cross their own red lines, and say that see nothing bad happened.
Russia's statement on long range strikes into Russia is the second red line that was actually stated by Russia, and I don't think it's a bluff either.
That's the thing though, as long as common sense still exists and neither party is willing to use nukes aside from threats, they still have to fight the US with all the other means. That means that the US will have to cope with multiple fronts at once as the war spreads out in the world, and there must be a tipping point where they just can't handle them all anymore.
This is why the US is doing the slow trickling method, sending a few tanks and planes at a time to Ukraine to have them blown up by Russia.
It can do this for a very long time as long as it is not American servicemen who gets killed, and as long as it is not in direct open conflict with Russia and China. Instead, hundreds of thousands of soldiers from foreign countries will fight each other to their death while the US just watches by the sideline, providing materiel support and intelligence/targeting feed as needed.
i get that viewpoint but isnt there a moment where they go like am i testing my weapons and make money, or am i just training my enemy and improve their capabilities?
The true power of US imperialism lies in its financial warfare.
Every equipment blown up means new contract for the defense industries, it means GDP goes up. Doesn’t even matter if the equipment works or not - for example, F-35 is plagued with problems but still a trillion dollars were spent on it. All these contribute to the strength of the US dollar, which it can then leverage to wreck the Global South countries.
The reason the US can do this is because the fight for industrial capital had ended in the 1990s with the dissolution of the USSR. The US and Europe were able to financialize the entire un-monetized Soviet industries that they accumulated so much finance capital that it made possible the hyper-leap into fully financialized economy. This allowed the European Union, the eurozone, the WTO (previously GATT) to be formed, and the rise of Europe as a financial adversary to the US had resulted in the endless Balkan conflicts at the European peripheral (to check the European growth), the Iraq War (to prevent Saddam from selling oil in Euro), and the Ukrainian Civil War in 2015 and the current Russia-Ukraine War since 2022 (to prevent Nord Stream 1 and 2 from the provision of energy sovereignty to Europe).
Think of it this way: just as the Northern industrialists prevailing over the Southern semi-feudal slaveowners during the American Civil War enabled the proliferating industrial capital to gain so much capital from consolidating the wealth of the Southern plantation owners that it allowed America to hyperleap into the plane of fully industrialized economy. The South had made fortunes supplying raw materials like cotton to England and France that were undergoing Industrial Revolution in the 1800s - the real reason for the American Civil War because expansion of industrial capital was threatened by the reinvigoration of the slave economy thanks to the Industrial Revolution.
The American Civil War allowed the North to hyper-leap into the plane of industrial capitalism, just as how the end of the Cold War allowed America to hyper-leap into the plane of finance capitalism. War machines are no longer made to fight wars or even to be functional as were the days of industrial capitalism, but as products to make fictitious GDP goes up, which then transforms into actual American diplomatic and economic leverage over the Global South.
And the US is never going to get invaded as long as it has nukes. Any hot war necessarily means nuclear exchange, because the US military simply does not have the capacity to fight against Russia and China.
but what if isreal starts nuking (honestly the only [word not found] i can see doing it), who else will follow and nuke who?