Struggle session engage. Post your pathetic arguments so that I and the other China Good Posters can dismantle them and you can learn.

Key points:

  • China is a democracy. It is arguably the most functional and responsive democracy in a major country today. Its citizens consider it more democratic than the citizens of almost any other country do their own.

  • China is on a clear path to socialism and economic justice. No nation in history has ever reduced poverty in anything like the way China is doing it.

  • The vast majority of people in the PRC support the CPC. This is not due to being brainwashed. Americans are brainwashed and still hate their government.

  • Almost everything you hear about China in the West sits on a spectrum between malicious misrepresentation to outright fabrication with no basis in reality.

  • China's ascension to the premiere global power is an extremely good thing for world peace and the global socialist movement. While China does not actively support other socialisms (sadly it's not as good as the USSR in this regard) it does not do imperialism. China will allow socialisms around the world to flourish simply by not actively crushing them like the US and Europe.

  • Frodo [any]
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    4 years ago

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    • OgdenTO [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      To me, I don't really support either of those "sides", since neither addresses any sort of material interests of the population.

      It's not rioting for better conditions, it's protesting for the status quo.......which produced among the highest rates of wealth inequality worldwide, indentured servitude of immigrants kept in house often without passports, massive drug issues, etc etc.

      If the protests had been about addressing any of the actual problems in HK, then I could get behind them.

      On the other hand, China actually taking over HK might economically help the almost 30% of the population living in poverty, so I don't know.

    • Yun [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      On Hong Kong, I've been leaning towards the cop side since:

      1. the extradition bill (which seemed perfectly reasonable) had already been withdrawn and a few of the rest of the 5 demands seemed unreasonable, the ones about not classifying them as riots and dropping all charges especially
      2. all the claims of police brutality I've seen tended to be based on sketchy evidence or evidence that when taken with context of what the protestors were doing seemed reasonable
      3. the only actual seriously fucked up stuff I know about the protests were perpetrated by the pro protestors (the only death being from a brick thrown by a protestor, bullying of children of police officers, setting a dude on fire, destroying public transit, attacking people who voiced dissenting opinions)
      4. pro-protestors not condemning/stopping stuff from point 3

      If you have sources that show I am mistaken with regards to point 2, then I'd be interested in seeing them.