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Trump odds up to 60%

  • SoyViking [he/him]
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    1 month ago

    The polls shows that people like republicans. Kamala should try to be more like a republican to win back voters.

    Here is what she should do to make swing state voters like her more:

    • Pressure "Israel" to be more genocidal. Make aid conditional on kill quotas.
    • Negative taxes for oligarchs but only the evil ones
    • A nuke for every police department. Cops have the right to defend themselves
    • Castle doctrine for Zybertrukkk owners against bicycles
    • A programme promoting bullying in schools to teach children to "toughen up"
    • Make it illegal to hurt fascists' feelings
    • REgon [they/them]
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      1 month ago

      I hate triangulators I hate triangulators I hate triangulators.

      danish politics.

      Socialdemokratiet (The socialdemocratic party) stole a bunch of voters from Dansk Folkeparti (Danish peoples party and by Danish we mean wink wink) by being as racist as them.
      The point of doing that was to prevent dansk Folkeparti from getting into government, which would be bad because they had racist politics.
      Insert meme where Spongebob and Patrick, labeled as SOCIALDEMOKRATER, stand in the middle of a burning city exclaiming "we did it Patrick, we stopped the racists from getting into government!" :::

      • Hexamerous [none/use name]
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        1 month ago

        You know what they say: The only way to fight a bad guy with a racism, is a good guy with a racism.

        • REgon [they/them]
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          1 month ago

          Wow how did all these bigots get into government? Oh well no time to think about that, we have to do austerity otherwise the right-wing will get elected and they might do austerity!

          blob-no-thoughts Boy I sure am glad to be a succdem in government, because I am ideologically socialdemocratic then that logically means my policies are as well. Anyway gotta cut funding to schools and give americans some military bases

      • SoyViking [he/him]
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        1 month ago

        And in the process the succdems forgot why the Danish People's Party was bad in the first place and became just as racist as them. There's no sign any more of "if they get in they will do bad stuff", it's just "they're taking our phoney baloney jobs and we want them back"

        • REgon [they/them]
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          1 month ago

          Yeah and the weird thing is everyone who was against it said that that is exactly would happen and even as it was happening they were told they were hyperbolic/alarmist by the socialdemocrats.
          Now it seems like no one even remembers it happened at all. Real "we've always been at war with Oceania" type shit.

          Edit: and they'd probably be down with making a coalition government with them

    • D61 [any]
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      1 month ago

      strangelove "We must not fall behind in the kittens-thrown-over-a-cliff-gap, mien fuhrer."

  • marxisthayaca [he/him,they/them]
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    1 month ago

    I think this is overly confident towards Trump’s chances. But if Kamala loses, we’d have Hillary 2.0. Has she tweeted about her birthday?

  • Vampire [any]
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    1 month ago

    The graph portrays 48.4 about 70% taller than 47.3

    • CarbonScored [any]
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      1 month ago

      1 percent is also assuredly in the margin of error. There's no way this is a significant difference.

      • knightly [none/use any]
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        1 month ago

        It's a betting market not a poll, there isn't any "margin of error". This doesn't tell you who would win, it tells you what the website's users are willing to bet on.

          • WIIHAPPYFEW [he/him, they/them]
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            1 month ago

            Both- they’ve been putting more conservative think pieces on their news article section than they used to, and they also prioritize pollsters like Trafalgar and Rasmussen, which are run by qanon-lite guys

    • Assian_Candor [comrade/them]
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      1 month ago

      Markets are a much better predictor of policy than "democracy" in amerikkka (whatever that means lol)

      • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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        1 month ago

        Yeah, markets that involve people with the power to buy out politicians, not just Steve spending a fraction of his paycheck on Teflon Don's assured victory

  • Cummunism [they/them, he/him]
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    1 month ago

    the only thing more lib than voting for Democrats is following polls. Also, betting markets? lol.

  • REgon [they/them]
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    1 month ago

    Hey I know what could help our campaign, what if we get Hillary on as an advisor? What's the worst that could happen?

    • Rojo27 [he/him]
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      1 month ago

      What if we got Hillary, but she calls herself Republican? Like Liz Cheney, maybe?

    • Belly_Beanis [he/him]
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      1 month ago

      Anyone who worked on Clinton's campaign should have been chased out of politics completely. There's no reason she should have lost to Trump, yet she did due to entitlement and hubris. Any Clinton staffer who came to me for a job on Biden's or Harris' (or even some fucking city treasurer in a town of 500 people) campaign would immediately been told to fuck off and go get a job in another industry.

  • grandepequeno [he/him]
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    1 month ago

    By this time in 2020 Biden was super up in the polls right, so was hillary? It was never this close

  • the_post_of_tom_joad [any, any]
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    1 month ago

    Does thread think the Dems (and even Republicans, why not) target' is to only be ever ~51% popularity, as in deliberately keeping parity between wings in order to maintain plausibility of legitimate govt inaction?

    Or is it just a consequence of their extremely similar platforms?

    Do you get what I'm trying to say? Is it a feature or a "happy" outcome they simply exploit?

    • D61 [any]
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      1 month ago

      The people with money, the folks politicians actually work for, are likely to be more politically similar than different. Both parties are playing towards their true base.

      The primaries are over so neither candidate needs to spend too much time paying lip service to the unwashed masses.

      So, why not both "feature" AND "happy outcome"?

    • REgon [they/them]
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      1 month ago

      I think a large group of Dems actually buy into the triangulator bs that you see in most "left"wing parties (quotations because they're not, but you know what I mean.) I don't know if the leaders buy into it, I know there's some insidious psy-op at the root of it, meant to kneecap any leftist political party, but I think a very large group actually believes the "aw shucks we really do want to do universal healthcare, but we gotta be more rightwing to get into government."
      These people never interrogate the validity of the claim, let alone the belief that a politicians task is to get elected.
      You'll see this tendency whenever you ask about doing any actual popular policy. "It's more nuanced than that..." "We gotta be bi-partisan..." "We want to be able to get elected..." "We don't want to scare away voters..." "We gotta be realistic..."
      Like with the decline of US intelligence agencies I think we are now seeing a generation of people who actually believe the propaganda.

      • ShimmeringKoi [comrade/them]
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        1 month ago

        Yeah the US managed to maintain the separation of propagandized workers and rational imperialist intelligence state mandarins for like...a generation or two, and now everyone just has the same internet brain damage.

    • CarbonScored [any]
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      1 month ago

      It's effectively a feature, but the amount of intentionality is grey, I think bourgeois democracy initially fell into this happy outcome, and it's a natural balance that occurs from them acting in self-interest, but it is also maintained actively with laws, culture wars, etc.

      Which party people vote for seems to entirely depend on "the other guy is worse", so if both parties do terribly for people when they get in government (and they will because they serve the bourgeois class) then people will always vote for the "only other choice" and voteshame third partyers.

      Rinse and repeat and the balance will stay forever around the 50% point while conditions worsen and people remain under the illusion they have a choice.

        • the_post_of_tom_joad [any, any]
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          1 month ago

          Yeah this is kinda what i meant to say but was too vague originally;

          plausibility of legitimate govt inaction? *rather than govt gridlock functioning as a mask for what govt is functioning as rn, an increasingly pernicious fascist regime

          Is what i should have said

    • ihaveibs [he/him]
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      1 month ago

      I feel like Biden dropping out almost immediately after Trump almost got domed displays a certain degree of intentionality. Trump was going to run away with it at that point and I dont think they want either party having too much political power. Somebody might try to do something with it if that were the case

  • Cummunism [they/them, he/him]
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    1 month ago

    wait, that first image is averaging all the battlegrounds together? that's about as stupid as national polling numbers.

    • Assian_Candor [comrade/them]
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      1 month ago

      It's all profoundly stupid but I am a piggy addicted to the horse race

      Kamala is ahead by a point nationally but this is an interesting sub story that isn't getting a lot of play