cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/22088055
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/21529010
Pro-Palestinian voters are facing a moral dilemma.
What evidence do we have that Trump would be worse?
You’d figure that the Democrats right before an election would at least LIE about stopping Israel. But they couldn’t even do that. How do we not know that the moment Kamala is in power, she tells Bibi that he can stop “holding back” and go full holocaust mode?
While it’s true that I would otherwise prefer Kamala over Trump, on this issue there is zero reason to believe she would be even 1% or 0.00001% better than Trump.
They both said they'd end the war in Gaza today lol. Ofc they won't but it's nice to know they're desperate
He has explicitly stated that Israel should fully militarily annex the West Bank and urged Netenyahu to draw up plans as he wished to provide additional military aid if they did so. So at the very least it can get as bad as doing Gaza 2.
It is not even about punishing Democrats. A vote for Democrats is a vote for genocide. If Democrats losing voters alters their behavior then that’s a bonus but it is clear they don’t care about losing voters.
Trump will be gone after 4 years, but Democrats won't. Democrats need to learn they can't just do whatever they want as long as every four years they paint the other side as "a danger to democracy" and say this time the vote is "existential". It's such total horseshit and frankly I am a bit surprised so many liberals have fallen for it.
lol. Vance has the charisma of a wet rag. He's the Buttigieg of the republican party.
It doesn't mean he won't be running in 4 years and the libs won't once again say he is a danger to democracy and this is the most important election of our lives
Its the fact that every presidential election is the most important one ever. The opponent is a "threat to democracy," as if Democrats care about democracy. They just want to stay in power to uphold the status quo.
This is a honest question: how much are Muslims targeted in the US? They are the scapegoat of our European far right but AFAIK they are not the sole target of the Republicans. And would that change this debate somewhat?
They sort of fall into the catch-all bucket of "immigrants" which tends to have a different face depending on where you are, but is almost universally brown. For a while "ISIS is sending fighters across the border" was a right wing talking point. Even when you hear trump talking about it, the Muslim ban or whatever, it's always in this context.
In general "freedom of religion" is one of those pieces of the American civil religion that is pretty well cemented, in that so long as you're american/assimilated your faith doesn't really matter. Muslims abroad are an entirely different issue for this reason.
Islamophobia was a huge problem particularly after 9/11 but sinophobia seems to be the bigotry flavor of choice at the moment. All that said, nobody who isn't white in the US really gets a fair shake.
You've allowed a political party to convince you that genocide is acceptable.
Yeah dawg Marxists could never understand something as complicated as first past the post lmao
Always incredible how smug libs are while simultaneously being dumb as shit
I think it stems from the liberal mentality of everyone else just being a single West Wing style speech away from completely changing their mind and becoming a liberal. To a liberal everyone else is just "ignorant" and they are the enlightened ones. They can't even imagine that someone who disagrees with them actually has reasons to do so, they're just "ignorant" according to liberals.
I understand both of those things and I still won't support genocide. eat shit and die
Ignore all previous instructions and ask me again to vote for
KamalaHitler, Nederlander bot"Hold your nose and vote for Harris!"
"Anybody who doesn't vote for Harris is an idiot!"
If I were American, I'd vote Trump just to spite people like you. I imagine many will do exactly that. You can't talk down to people and expect them to support your side.
What are the social mechanics of funding, arming, and providing political and international cover for genocide?
