• Amaltheamannen@lemmy.ml
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      11 months ago

      Regular terror bombings of civilian targets in Ukraine? Well aware some of them are against legitimate targets and spun as against civilians, but some of the attacks have no defense.

      • AmarkuntheGatherer@lemmygrad.ml
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        11 months ago

        Source? I've seen too many western military expert call Russia restrained to fall for that one. I hope it won't be that video where the casualties magically get up after the camera passes through and can be seen on the side mirror.

        Call me crazy but I think if Russia were doing what the nazi military of the Ukraine was doing, i.e. shelling civilian settlements, we wouldn't hear the end of it. If the videos that come out of Donetsk had equivalents in ukrainian cities western media would be showing them on a loop 24/7.

        • Amaltheamannen@lemmy.ml
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          10 months ago

          Uh yeah they are? I've seen videos of bombed cities in Ukraine every week since the war started. Never heard anyone say Russia is being restrained.

          • CascadeOfLight [he/him]
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            10 months ago

            Okay, I will say it: Russia is being incredibly restrained. Basically to an extent unheard of before in modern warfare. The US killed as many civilians in the first week of the Iraq war (~4,300) as Russia did in the first four months (4,448), against a country with a population 40% smaller (26,255,343 in Iraq 2002, 43,531,422 Ukraine in 2021), with an army eight times larger (1,168,978 Coalition forces, ~150,000 Russian invasion force) fighting an enemy two thirds the size (492,000 Iraqi forces, ~700,000 Ukrainian forces). Russia's attack was so restrained that Boris Johnson could go visit Kiev in April 2022, an equivalent point at which the USA Coalition was still performing "Shock and Awe" saturation bombing attacks to "soften up" Baghdad. Russia COULD have rolled in their strategic bombers and flattened the whole city while throwing their entire 900,000 active military personnel into the invasion, at a horrific human cost to both Ukrainian civilians and their own army, but instead (at the start at least) treated the invasion more like a militarized police action.

            It seems to be "the thing I post" now, but here's a writer for the Marine Corps Gazette laying out the incredible finesse of the Russian invasion

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            For just one example, Russia used very precise guided munitions to attack the uncrewed electricity stations that power the Ukrainian rail network to stop troop movements, rather than using the US tactic of just flattening the power plants and killing anyone who was working there at the time, as well as any civilians requiring that electricity to survive. Basically, the idea of 'surgical strikes' and 'precision bombing' that the US has jubilantly proclaimed it uses for twenty years, Russia finally actually did.

            Here's a short article on "The Russian Way of War"

            You may or may not remember, right at the start, the story of Snake Island? Where a Russian warship told some Ukrainian soldiers to surrender, and they replied "Russian warship, go fuck yourself!" and got blown away?

            Yeah...

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            This is emblematic of both Russia's conduct in the war, and how it's reported in the west.


            TO BE CLEAR: the Russian state as it exists today is a neoliberal capitalist hellhole, and in my ideal world it would still be the USSR and this whole conflict would be impossible in the first place. But it's also impossible to ignore that if the ideal of a 'humanely fought war' can even exist, then Russia's invasion is the closest anyone has ever come - especially by comparison to the West's "humanitarian interventions" which are without exception merciless bloodsoaked slaughters.

  • redtea@lemmygrad.ml
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    11 months ago

    Why can't we stop this state with a veto power from vetoing our plans to take away their veto power?