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Turns out that's what happens when the former hegemon gets a bit too big for their breeches and lets the mask slip.
Ah yes, the overtly corrupt populist right, the great partner of a Peoples Republic.
Oh yeah, I forgot calling oneself a socialist lifts any questions from the western leftists. You can be a corrupt nationalist government, have mafia kill jurnos, all is good.
Ok, honestly I've got no patience to pretend that you don't simply support him for his alignment with Russia/China as if their was any different from US imperialism. He represents (half of) a country in which Moscow used tanks to put down a popular uprising, but is their uncritical servant. Same as his other buddies, stirring up far right talking points in favor of "fortress europe", against the backdrop of their Moscow handlers and their colony in Bealarus pushing out migrants into swamps and primal forests on the border with Poland and Finland in an attempt at creating a crisis.
We deal with this shit, find dead people in the swamps and bushes, and fight fascists stirred up by these migrations and openly supported by the same people who caused this. Meanwhile you get your edge-lord points for siding with something you consider leftist? or just admire their authoritarianism for whatever reason? I'm pretty sure I've encouraged you before; visit eastern Europe, or Russia and confront your imagination with the reality of what things are here.
And there it is, you're just upset that he wants to stop the war and that people might stop dying.
I haven't mentioned the war itself, I've only mentioned the Russia-manufactured border crisis where Belarusian services starve and force push out people onto the Polish border. That's what you're cheering for; using helpless people as meat to throw in a geopolitical grinder.
If you want to have an idea of how it looks there's a movie our last regime attempted to silence; Zielona Granica / Green Border. Feel free to drop the feel-good ending - there's none - nowdays, with the new cheerfully liberal regime the activists cant even reach the border anymore as it's all a militarized zone with hot rounds fired.But on the issue of war - allowing an empire to size territory is not stopping the war, it's repeating the failed concept of appeasement towards a regime openly discussing it's imperialist aspirations (and history of long and brutal occupation of the entire region). Anti-imperialist struggles are only good if they are against US, and Slavs don't deserve their rights to self determination?
Nah, the concept of appeasement doesn't apply here because the nature of the war is security competition between Russia and NATO with NATO having been the aggressor encroaching on Russian border while engaging in violent invasions of states like Yugoslavia and regime change operations including violent coup in Ukraine. You can stop lying about the causes of the war because the chief of NATO already admitted the real reason in plain terms:
Now, it's obvious to anybody with even a minimally functioning brain that Russia has won the war, and the US will leave Europe out to dry. You warmongers deserve everything that's coming to you.
So you're just gloss over the issue of using "тёмненький" ("darkies") as meat cuz you don't have a pre-set propaganda excuse for it, or what?
And yeah, of course every bully has to defend themself, Germany was threatened by the Jew and had to fight it's 'existential' fight for liberty from their control... Still, you're apparently so deep into hatred of Slavs you want us to be subjected, is all.
Poland is like one of the most racist countries on this planet. Take a seat there maybe bud. It's frankly embarrassing.
I could name a few worse ones, it's not Moscow, where dark-skinned people got killed on a daily basis, but I'd agree it's one of the more racist. You're lecturing someone who literally leads people against 50-100k strong fascists marches, but thank you for west-splaining our situation. We Slav stupid, we not know if not western left messiah.
If only you could deal with the facts, it'd be an interesting discussion, but best you can pull is childish negation of anything that could shake up your poorly educated opinions. Afraid your western-individualist petite bourgeoisie 'personality' will be ruined by confronting reality?
Oh I am dealing with facts. Russia is aligned with the global majority against the racist colonial west. Afraid your western-individualist petite bourgeoisie ‘personality’ will be ruined by confronting reality?
Let's say they do. How is that worse, or equal, to clearly sponsoring them it at least 4 much larger European countries?
I don't care about moralizing. Not being an utter psychopath, I want to avoid wars and people dying. NATO created the conditions for war through it's actions over many decades since the dissolution of USSR. Now hundreds of thousands of people died, while sickos living in NATO countries continue to cheers this on.
Yeah, nazis growing to power has never lead to any deaths. You serious?
Even if NATO did that it's Russian soldiers bombarding cities, and and Russian soldiers in Ukraine. You want to stop wars, everything that needs to be done is them going back to their country. Oh, and maybe, just maybe, the "sickos" simply know what Russian occupation of their countries looked like, some first hand? You ever consider that, or is there simply one side who has any rights?
Again, the whole reason the war is still going is because NATO stopped negotiations that could've ended it two months in. It's western fascists such as yourself who are ensuring the killing goes on. The blood is on your hands.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/11/18/russia-vetoes-sudan-ceasefire-resolution-at-un-security-council nato threathening the Sudani border of Russia as well? All Russia has to do to stop a war is getting the fuck out of Ukraine, and the killing stops.
Oh look more moralizing. The difference between me and you is that I'm not trying to have some moral high ground here. I just want the war to stop. You're the one who keeps trying to make it out like the war is all Russia's fault. Meanwhile, NATO scum is the reason the war continues. You should put your money where your mouth is, and go sign up for the foreign legion. Go fight some Russians and defend Ukraine since you believe in it so much. But we both know you just want other people to die for your ideals because all you fascists are cowards deep down.
All Russia has to do to stop a war is getting the fuck out of Ukraine, and the killing stops.
I love how you trolls keep repeating it as if it's going to happen if you just say it enough times. What part of the fact that Russia won the war are you still struggling to comprehend?
I'm not acting for some abstract morals, but against pointless death, imperialist rule and growth of feudal states. Russia as it is personifies most of that.
Russia can stop the war anytime by going back to it's internationally recognized borders. And nothing says "russia won" like a film studio donating it's antique tanks to MOD, and the state having to rely onremoveds and murderers to win meters of terrain 1000 days into their 2-3 day operation. You're beyond delusional. You're cheering a idiot who just destroyed the demography of his already falling dystopian state for the sake of militarizing the rest of Europe against it.
And even if he won, one thing you will see is a campaign of terror directed at Russia by the Ukrainian and broader Slav underground by which the Chechen one was only symbolic.Given that Russia is not going to just pack up and go home having won the war, explain why you keep repeating this mantra?
And the terror campaign will likely be directed at imbeciles in Europe who have been arming and supporting fascists this whole time. Once these fascists realize you've betrayed them, they're not going to be happy about it. Meanwhile, it's funny that you brought up Chechnya, given that Chechens are now fighting along side the Russians.
Enjoy having austerity while Europe spends its every last penny militarizing. Best of luck to you with that https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/10/politics/russia-artillery-shell-production-us-europe-ukraine/index.html
If they won why is there fighting still going? And if it's still going on now and drains Russian resources and bleeds the country (as NATO intends) then why would it stop? It would seem Russia only keeps stepping deeper into NATOs trap, whether it "won" or not? Can you please check what percentage of it's GDP Europe spends militarizing vs the "winning" Russia? If I recall correctly Russian economic might could be matched by just Germany and Poland, and entire EU would be something like 3-4 times more easily? So if the European states alone want to fight it, they can do it indefinitely from Russian perspective.
As for Ukrainians, so happens I've been working with refugees, my team has been in touch with a few thousand of them, and majority of the team itself is Ukrainian or Belorussian. To put it mildly - you're out of touch with reality. You understand very little of the hatred towards Russia that it has developed. And there are new generations growing up already, who'd been thought by Russia that neither election or just accepting Russian rule is not an option if they want to survive, the only option is force. There's only that many watniks and North Koreans one can spend and still have a population that can recover. And if these are bleeding out against mostly 1980's NATO equipment and modernized soviet era tanks, this would not work out better against less corrupt and much better armed states willing to train new generations of fighters willing to fight till their land is reclaimed? If you believed what you're saying you'd understand there's no chance for Russia to actually win.If they won why is there fighting still going?
Because the fascist regime you're backing is gang pressing people into fighting. According to Bloomberg, the share of forcibly mobilized soldiers in the Ukrainian army is 75% https://archive.ph/4FVr4
It would seem Russia only keeps stepping deeper into NATOs trap, whether it “won” or not?
Oh wow that's a fascinating theory. Let's see what somebody with an actual clue from the The Royal United Services Institute in UK has to say about that https://rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/attritional-art-war-lessons-russian-war-ukraine
Can you please check what percentage of it’s GDP Europe spends militarizing vs the “winning” Russia?
Can you please check the economic crash in Germany that's unfolding due to lack of cheap energy from Russia? Guess what ramping up military industry needs, that's right lots of energy for shit like steel production.
If I recall correctly Russian economic might could be matched by just Germany and Poland, and entire EU would be something like 3-4 times more easily?
Meanwhile in the real world https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/10/politics/russia-artillery-shell-production-us-europe-ukraine/index.html
So if the European states alone want to fight it, they can do it indefinitely from Russian perspective.
Sure little buddy, you keep on believing that.
As for Ukrainians, so happens I’ve been working with refugees, my team has been in touch with a few thousand of them, and majority of the team itself is Ukrainian or Belorussian.
Oh you've been working with all the brave Ukrainian patriots who fled the fighting.
And there are new generations growing up already, who’d been thought by Russia that neither election or just accepting Russian rule is not an option if they want to survive, the only option is force.
Nah, they're just gonna stay in Europe.
There’s only that many watniks and North Koreans one can spend and still have a population that can recover.
How to tell people that math isn't your strong suit.
If you believed what you’re saying you’d understand there’s no chance for Russia to actually win.
People like you are a testament to the power of propaganda. The sad truth is that you believe everything you say, and you've completely left material reality we exist in. You live in a fantasy world, but thing about material reality is that it can only be ignored for so long.
And I'm going to stop here, enjoy living in your fantasies while you can cause life's gonna get real hard for people like you real soon.
Because the fascist regime you’re backing is gang pressing people into fighting. According to Bloomberg, the share of forcibly mobilized soldiers in the Ukrainian army is 75%
Forcing with conscription as any country during war does? Wow, surprise. Let see Paul Allans army - what's the volunteer share in Russian army? How much are they paying to to volunteer nowdays? And why are there still volunteers joining Ukrainian side, forming entire battalions in the west, where they could just safely stay?
And even if they were none - you claim Ukraine is a nazi country. You probably know about "operation Gladio". How can you believe there could be peace if there's supposedly a massive Ukrainan nazi population and western fascist states willing to use them to destroy Russia, and said Russia attempts to operate on Ukrainians own territory? You're just casually expecting a CCCP vs Makhnovshchina/Holodomor or Israeli style genocide, or how else could that play out in your head?
Let’s see what somebody with an actual clue from the The Royal United Services Institute in UK has to say about that
If the West is serious about a possible great power conflict, it needs to take a hard look at its industrial capacity, mobilisation doctrine and means of waging a protracted war, rather than conducting wargames covering a single month of conflict and hoping that the war will end afterwards. As the Iraq War taught us, hope is not a method.
What's your point here? Long hoping I waste time on reading a longer text with generic statements like "one should prepare for war"? Have a look at Russian reporting on Polands recent armaments. Everyone is already quite invested into that already.
Can you please check the economic crash in Germany that’s unfolding due to lack of cheap energy from Russia? Guess what ramping up military industry needs, that’s right lots of energy for shit like steel production.
Ever heard of Norway and US, the NATO countries?
Meanwhile in the real world
You're 12 years old or something? You pick one factor, end believe it solves all or somehow compares to GDP? Clearly you don't care either about say the social securities system, nor if there's enough trucks and tracks to transport these shell, or, more importantly quality barrels and trained artillery men to accurately use them. Arrow goes up. I got some Putin NFT's to sell to you if you're that dumb.
Oh you’ve been working with all the brave Ukrainian patriots who fled the fighting.
Yeah, including Belarusian and Russians. Some 90% women, damn cowards. Should have stayed in cities daily bombarded by your peaceful friends.
Nah, they’re just gonna stay in Europe.
There's literally tens of thousands being trained in Europe to head back to Ukraine at the very moment. You ever even talked to a real life Ukrainian or you live in your delusional bubble on the internet?
life’s gonna get real hard for people like you real soon.
It is, just to remind you, we're already dealing with people Russia attempts to kill either by forcing them over Poland's eastern border, or the ones who had to escape being butchered in the name of your vision of peace in Ukraine.
You pushed this discussion into the issue of war, now you escape it after sidetracking anything that could be proved and argued based on evidence (like Ukraine being somehow necessary to invade Russia which is utter bullshit with history clearly proving you wrong, twice) and redirecting it onto issues of speculation, or lacking data.
Your ignorance and fixation on accepting only propaganda over actually visiting the countries you talk about or talking to their people insulates you from reality, while projecting your insecurity that causes onto me, where I explicitly state basis for my opinions. All you did throughout this entire discussion was cover your eyes, and attempt to insult me while blasting "RT" propaganda 1:1. I just hope you're paid for spilling this bullshit cuz otherwise you're just a classical case of a western "useful idiot" as uncle Joseph would say. Hope you get better one day, seriously.See the fun part is that we will know who is right soon enough. This isn't some philosophical debate here where there's no clear answer. Russia will win the war, Europe will be stuck dealing with a failed state in Ukraine and a bunch of angry fascist, while getting fucked economically by the US. People like you will be forced to grapple with reality at that point. So enjoy being smug while you can, those days are numbered.
Out of pure interest what does "winning the war" mean for Russia?
Ukraine clearly described what it considers as a win, and it's clearly very unlikely to achieve it; reclaiming all of it's internationally recognized borders, you know as guaranteed by Russia and US when Ukraine gave away their nukes.
But Russia's win was meant to be a parade through Kyiv on the 3rd day or so? Then that got corrected to finally capturing the oblasts they already proclaimed Russia two years ago? Now it might require also reclaiming the part of their actual country they lost, I guess? Your beloved land of social justice never really clearly defined what it's territorial objectives are, but yeah, it's not even a war, since they still land people in prison for calling it that so what's to be won.
Not to mention loosing/crippling half a million of their citizens to size the poorest but fossil fuel rich parts of Ukraine plus a bunch of cities they leveled to the ground, with an estimated 1 million casualties of on both sides "for peace". Oh, and a side of land fertile in mines. Or creating as you describe "a failed fascist state", to... secure their border? Additional 1,340km of hard to defend border with NATO in the north? Which one is the win part here?And mate, seriously, I was born in a collapsing "socialist republic", and watched it being rampaged by neolibs with explosion of every possible pathology that causes.
It's pitiful you wish such hardships upon any people, particularly for someones imperialist gains. And laughable you think what you are describing is the worst possible option for central and eastern Europe. Most of the region has seen Russian occupation, it's in the living memory of our societies, which is exactly why things will not go the way you expect. The worse the situation, the stronger the resistance will be. We're Slavs, we bask in suffering and fighting against the odds, it's the one thing we know.Wining the war means destroying the fighting capacity of the AFU, and ensuring that whatever is left of Ukraine remains a neutral state that can't threaten Russia and that will never be part of NATO. Also, Ukraine never had nukes. USSR stationed nukes on the territory of Ukraine, but Russia became the inheritor state of USSR.
You don't seem to understand how wars of attrition work. Everybody who was actually motivated to fight Russia signed up for the army in the first couple of years. Most of them are now dead. At this point, 75% of people fighting are conscripted against their will as Bloomberg reports. Most people left in Ukraine do not care whether it's under Russian influence or not at this point, they just want the war to end. These deranged fantasies of yours regarding some kind of guerrilla warfare are never going to happen.
Not to mention loosing/crippling half a million of their citizens to size the poorest but fossil fuel rich parts of Ukraine plus a bunch of cities they leveled to the ground, with an estimated 1 million casualties of on both sides “for peace”.
It's hilarious how people like you just guzzle propaganda uncritically. Here's what the only western source that shows any methodology has to say, far cry from your fantasies I'm afraid https://en.zona.media/article/2022/05/20/casualties_eng
In fact, if you look closely at the chart, you'll see that casualties have dropped off significantly in the past year of the war because AFU fighting capacity has been degraded to the point where it's barely a functional fighting force. Don't take my word for it though, here's BBC saying that AFU is on a verge of collapse.
Or creating as you describe “a failed fascist state”, to… secure their border? Additional 1,340km of hard to defend border with NATO in the north? Which one is the win part here?
How do you think that's going to work out for Europe when the hardcore fascists in Ukraine decide that you lot betrayed them?
And mate, seriously, I was born in a collapsing “socialist republic”, and watched it being rampaged by neolibs with explosion of every possible pathology that causes.
Same, the difference is that I'm not licking liberal boots the way you are.
It’s pitiful you wish such hardships upon any people, particularly for someones imperialist gains.
I don't wish any hardships on anyone. That's just you projecting your own psychopathic tendencies on others. This war was completely unnecessary, and it happened because NATO decided that it would ignore Russia's security interest. Support from people like you was crucial in this. Now you get to reap what you all sowed and I have zero sympathy for you.
Most of the region has seen Russian occupation, it’s in the living memory of our societies, which is exactly why things will not go the way you expect. The worse the situation, the stronger the resistance will be. We’re Slavs, we bask in suffering and fighting against the odds, it’s the one thing we know.
You're all going to be at each other's throats as your economies continue to unravel. That's what's actually going to happen as it always has throughout history. But you keep on believing whatever you need to believe until that happens.
Wining the war means destroying the fighting capacity of the AFU,
Works great since it got from "they bombard Donbas" (propaganda bullshit btw) to "dron debris" blowing up anything from refineries, factories 1500km deep inside, buildings in Moscow and bunkers in Kurks.
and ensuring that whatever is left of Ukraine remains a neutral state that can’t threaten Russia and that will never be part of NATO.
Also, Ukraine never had nukes.
Yeah, OFC, Russia and USA negotiated their handover for 6 years and paid for it just to larp.
Most people left in Ukraine do not care
How would you know that? Spoke to any in real life? I work with them by the hundreds in Poland, assist massive trade union in Ukraine. You're delusional.
These deranged fantasies of yours regarding some kind of guerrilla warfare are never going to happen.
You don't know the first thing about the history of the region, or Ukraine, dont you?
only western source that shows any methodology
The methodology is social media + public registries. How it matches the oft repeated Russian complaint of the dead being signed off as simply missing? At this point if you started reading "mil bloggers" directly it'd be an improvement for your level of propaganda detachment. If it were 100k lost Russian army would be pretty massive now taking in 30k/month according to it's own statements, wouldn't it? So why are most if not all observable bases on NATO borders half empty? We even see that in shop sales around Kaliningrad.
you’ll see that casualties have dropped off significantly in the past year of the war
Yeah, not like there's a lag in announcements and very clearly there's massive meat-wave attacks going on for the last half a year.
How do you think that’s going to work out for Europe when the hardcore fascists in Ukraine decide that you lot betrayed them?
Why would they if they are supplied by "European fascist states" and also "have all died already, it's all forced conscription". They are forced to fight, dead, and resentful if not supported at the same time? It really makes sense in your head?
Same, the difference is that I’m not licking liberal boots the way you are.
Yeah, also a very highly decorated ~~navy seal ~~ specnaz sniper... I'm more likely to believe you're a dog with the level of detachment you're displaying here.
Now you get to reap what you all sowed and I have zero sympathy for you.
You just said entire countries/Europe a comment ago, but I guess economic hardships or whatever that was meant to be are going to be extremely selective? You know that staff you spill out makes no sense even internally?
NATO decided that it would ignore Russia’s security interest
How does Russia consider the ones it gave to Ukraine?
You’re all going to be at each other’s throats
So much for pretending you're from here. And yeah, check out any history of the states in the region.
Works great since it got from “they bombard Donbas” (propaganda bullshit btw)
Why would you lie about something that's been extensively documented in western media?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs even CNN covered this https://twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296
blowing up anything from refineries, factories 1500km deep inside, buildings in Moscow and bunkers in Kurks.
Let me know when that happens.
Yeah, OFC, Russia and USA negotiated their handover for 6 years and paid for it just to larp.
Yeah you should read up on that instead of showing what an ignoramus you are in public.
How would you know that? Spoke to any in real life? I work with them by the hundreds in Poland, assist massive trade union in Ukraine. You’re delusional.
I know that because 75% of people are being forced into fighting. If you think that people who fled from fighting into Europe are gonna come back and fight you're dumber than I thought, and that's saying something. That fact that you call me delusional is really cherry on top. These people are just as likely to go back and fight as trolls like yourself. Y'all have a big mouth on you, but you'll never put yourself in danger. You're just chihuahuas.
You don’t know the first thing about the history of the region, or Ukraine, dont you?
One of us doesn't, and it's not me. Ukraine was cobbled together by USSR, and over half of Ukraine is ethnically Russia. Absolutely fucking embarrassing that you don't know this.
The methodology is social media + public registries.
Meanwhile your methodology is pulling numbers out of your hairy ass.
Yeah, not like there’s a lag in announcements and very clearly there’s massive meat-wave attacks going on for the last half a year.
cope harder
Why would they if they are supplied by “European fascist states” and also “have all died already, it’s all forced conscription”. They are forced to fight, dead, and resentful if not supported at the same time? It really makes sense in your head?
People who were willing to fight an actual army died. Scumbags who are hardcore criminals haven't died. They're the ones taking bribes, and gang pressing others to fight.
Yeah, also a very highly decorated ~~navy seal ~~ specnaz sniper… I’m more likely to believe you’re a dog with the level of detachment you’re displaying here.
You've already demonstrated that you can believe the dumbest shit, so yeah makes sense.
You just said entire countries/Europe a comment ago, but I guess economic hardships or whatever that was meant to be are going to be extremely selective? You know that staff you spill out makes no sense even internally?
What are you even trying to say here dumbass?
How does Russia consider the ones it gave to Ukraine?
The ones that Russia tried to make work for 8 fucking years with Minsk 1 and 2 that the west now came out and said was just giving time to arm Ukraine ?
So much for pretending you’re from here. And yeah, check out any history of the states in the region.
Learn some Slav history instead of trolling here dumbass. It's all Slavs fighting each other.
Anyways, you keep on believing whatever you like. Reality will set in soon enough and then you'll have to grapple with it. Have fun with that.
Interesting policy of wreaking destruction upon every "regime" that doesn't align with your hypocritically professed values, irrespective of the history of the country and how the group you want wiped out came to power in the first place.
There is a problem though, that your wish to isolate these states from diplomacy and trade does nothing more than create stripped-down capitalist states, at the mercy of London and Wall St. and their blob, the conditions and the political influences that produce these "left" and "right" neoliberal parties (for neocons are a variety of liberal, economically, despite your ahistorical use of the term). Your whole approach is mindlessly destructive and counterproductive.
The endgame of this strategy looks like Milei, like post-Gaddafi Libya. Your approach always results in starvation,removed, and murder of the population, and this collapse of society allows far right groups easy pickings.
Wait so you claim to be left and somehow oppose partnership with China? How am I to understand this?
Yes, one can be leftist and anti-authoritarian. I dont believe state capitalism is the solution.
Dunno, maybe cooperation with neighboring countries and only together setting joint deals with disproportionately larger countries? It's just as absurd as Poland's last government single-handedly attempting massive tread deals with USA. Each time smaller European countries attempt that they end up on a leash.
I trust China far more than slovak government. I dont think that these deals with China will go this way, its more like when the other options(real alternatives offered currently) are bad they will get a deal with China. But normatively yes I guess, its just too much to ask of such governments judging by their current failures.
I don't trust any government, but even less so the less there are checks and feedback loops that limit their control. From my understanding of the Chinese system these are severely limited there, and from what I'm seeing about the Slovak one it's simply corrupt in the CEE traditional way and leaning on authoritarian. My point is just that relations between small and massive states will never be equal, and if one goes 'leeroy jenkins' at it - it's either painfully stupid or the effect of corruption. Another such case would be Ireland basically writing away all their gas/oil fields rights to Shell, and acting like a tax heaven for whatever IT multinational.
Ok I got you. For me personally China usually seems like a decent alternative. I dont think that they are perfect.
Can't be bothered to look for a similar research for SMER, but when the party members of Polish SLD (Sojusz Lewicy Demokratycznej - same type of post-communist party) were studied they tended to be economically more liberal and socially more conservative then the local neo-cons, and that's quite an achievement, as these are basically air-dropped chicago-school of economy US made products.
Left wing ideologies have been destroyed in CEE by the soviet fallout. What's left* are parties cashing in on the nostalgia (/conservatism) and soft authoritarianism with a hint of social policies. By this account Polish PiS (Prawo i Sprawiedliwość) party is also nearly leftist - they had some populist social programs. None of these actually affect the situation of the neglected parts of society in the long term, but the cash giveaways secure the vote, and apparently support from some...*Of course outside of mainstream there's tiny honest left, socialist or even communist groups, but that's nothing to do with what passes as the mainstream "left", most of which is to the right of western centrists.
You could ask literally any active polish Antifa who I am, if actually meant anything more than an pitiful attempt at an insult.
Polish antifa have shown themselves to be about as anti-fascist as national socialists.
With what exactly? Your tanki friends getting a slap for breaking the terms they got for joining our action? I'd expect you of all people to understand following a set line and punishing dissenters.
You're blood thirsty war mongers who allied themselves with literal fascists.
You're siding with a regime that used neonazis to kill our comrades in front of it's goverment buildings, forced our Russian comrades to move from blunt weapons to firearms just to survive on the streets, supports crypto-fascist regimes, and openly finances French, German, Austrian, US neonazis, but claim we side with fascist? Hilarious. Maybe it's time you volunteer to 'Rusich', now officially a part of FSB?
Belarusian and Ukrainian refugees make up 1/4 of my city and half of the radical movement here. Like many of our comrades I've been traveling the region for over 20 years. Been to Moscow, been to deep Caucasian Russia, been to Ukraine a few times including the very areas that are now a battlefield and shared roof and drinks with comrades from other countries, who were now martyred there.
But still instead of hearing out someone who's committed their life to struggle, you're better educated based on something you've read on the internet. Nothing like a western colonial mindset over the experience of local, working people deciding to fight against oppression.The regime you ally yourself with is openly fascist. Period. You are a nazi lover.
Help me out here. Someone describing reversing of the situation of his people is a nazi, but Russian state forcing that very situation on his people is anti-nazi? How does that work?
And as a side note what is this mans role in the administration? He holds any?And how does that fare with Miedwiediew threatening half of Europe nuclear annihilation every few months? He chairs Security Council of the Russian Federation as far as I remmeber?
You're doing that whole whataboutism thing here. At best you can say both are bad, but you are actively supporting one side here. So, you have no moral high ground. You're just a nazi lover and you see Russians as the wrong nazis. It's hilarious how Europe keeps doing posturing and then acting all surprised that Russia is taking hostile stance towards them. You're such utter clowns, you should all get together and start a circus. Maybe that could be your new economic model.
You were meant to provide any proof of a actually fascist policy and the best you can come up with is an ex official with some generic threats in the middle of a war.
I dont see either side as nazis. Both sides obviously do use nazis, although on one side a Jew president sends them to die in the trenches and on the other a mafia oligarch sets them up in FSB and sponsors and enables them worldwide. Funny which one you consider nazis.
Still even as high on propaganda bullshit as you are you have to admit Russia is murdering Ukrainian children. If a threat of doing so is fascism, what is doing just that? Anti-fascism? How the fuck does that make any sense to you? How can that be equal to someone both murdering and attempting to terrorize the rest of the continent so they dont get seriously involved to stop the butchering of Ukrainians? How come Russia has the right to defend their interests beyond its border including sending troops, but no other country has such right? How is it threathened by Ukraine possibly joining NATO but was not when Finland joined? Particularly with that threathening the control over northern passage, not some easy to controll broad open fields? How do you even make any sense of this to yourself?
And if you do, following your bullshit logic - why wouldent say Poland, with 200 years of history of Russian occupation, forced assimilation, forced migration and straight up genocide by Russian empire, should not do anything in its power to stop a neighboring country from again falling to such a state? Same arguments you use would justify Polands invasion of Bealarus and thretening to nuke Moscow if they step up. You're to blinded to see the absurdity of your arguments and make a strawman of what you think I support, without at least reading what I clearly state, so cut your bullshit about whataboutism and moral high grounds Putin's fanboy. Western europe attempted to reson with Russian government, cut them deals and made their elites filthy rich while doing it, while most of the country still looks like a cyberpunk distopia and is ruled like any failed 3rd world dictatorship, which it now is."I feel threathened so I might vaporize you all unless you subdue to our imperialism" sounds like a underdog we should be cheering. You are beyond laughable.
My dude, there are mountains of evidence for actual fascist policies in Ukraine. I literally linked you Poroshenko openly talking about doing ethnic cleansing. Absolutely hilarious you'd be trying to pull Jewish president bullshit when Israel is conducting a genocide in Gaza. Maybe at least try to update the talking points you've memorized.
Still even as high on propaganda bullshit as you are you have to admit that the war could've been over in the first two months if the west didn't step in and stop negotiations. You scum are the ones actively doing everything you can to drag it out.
I can't wait till the US bails you lot and then we'll see how brave you all.
there are mountains of evidence for actual fascist policies in Ukraine.
Yet you did not link to any. Random speech is not a policy, Poroshenko is not an Ukrainian official or a government member, as opposed to Miedwiedew who is and is threatening nuclear annihilation even to non-combatants, aside from aiding the kidnapping of Ukrainian children which is literally a form of genocide.
you have to admit that the war could’ve been over in the first two months if the west didn’t step in and stop negotiations.
Any non-russian sources for that claim? And no, the war would not be over, you'd have guerilla war for decades. You understand nothing of Slavic mentality nor know nothing of the history of the region.
Oh, and what will we do without all the marvelous US help? Repeat history I guess...
I did, but you just keep ignoring it. However, since you keep insisting I'll link some more as was widely reported by western media. The fact that you keep pretending they don't exist shows that you're a liar.
- Let's start with language laws as reported by HRW https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/01/19/new-language-requirement-raises-concerns-ukraine
- the ban of of political parties on the left https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/20/ukraine-suspends-11-political-parties-with-links-to-russia
- ban of independent media https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/18/world/europe/ukraine-press-freedom.html
- cancellation of elections
- use of banned weapons on civilians https://www.hrw.org/news/2014/10/20/ukraine-widespread-use-cluster-munitions
- Ethnic cleansing in Donbas https://youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs
And of course, then there are nazis running rampant in Ukraine including the highest levels of government
- Gravel Institute https://web.archive.org/web/20220329174945/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtOx6dW_0vU
- https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/neo-nazis-far-right-ukraine/
- https://www.researchgate.net/publication/299383810_The_Separatist_War_in_Donbas_A_Violent_Break-up_of_Ukraine
- https://jacobinmag.com/2022/02/maidan-protests-neo-nazis-russia-nato-crimea
- https://www.internationalmagz.com/articles/conversation-with-dmitri-kovalevich
Any non-russian sources for that claim?
Plenty, even Nuland has admitted this just recently https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiS2dg_atfc
Ukrainian negotiators confirmed it https://www.aaronmate.net/p/ukraines-top-negotiator-confirms
Arestovich confirmed it it https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1975okx/ua_pov_arestovich_in_english_says_he_and_the_rest/
A member of the negotiating team confirming this https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/11/24/7430282/
The fact that you don't know this shows what an utter ignoramus you are. I guess one has to be to ally himself with fascists.
And no, the war would not be over, you’d have guerilla war for decades. You understand nothing of Slavic mentality nor know nothing of the history of the region.
Both my parents were born in Ukraine you sad troll, I think I understand Slavic mentality perfectly well. Something ignorant nazi boot lickers such as yourself will never understand.
Any non-russian sources for that claim? And no, the war would not be over, you’d have guerilla war for decades.
There won't be any guerrilla war for decades because all the fascists you love so much have gone to die on the front already or fled the country. At this point the fascist regime you support is reduced to kidnapping people off the street and gang pressing them to fight.
Finally, let me educate you a bit on Ukraine since you're utterly clueless about it. It was cobbled together by USSR and eastern parts of Ukraine were part of Russia, and are inhabited by Russian speaking people who see themselves as Russian. Again, don't take my word for it. We can take a look at a few slides from this lecture that Mearsheimer gave back in 2015 to get a bit of background on the subject. Mearsheimer is certainly not pro Russian in any sense, and a proponent of US global hegemony. First, here's the demographic breakdown of Ukraine:
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here's how the election in 2004 went:
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this is the 2010 election:
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As we can clearly see from the voting patterns in both elections, the country is divided exactly across the current line of conflict. Furthermore, a survey conducted in 2015 further shows that there is a sharp division between people of eastern and western Ukraine on which economic bloc they would rather belong to:
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Ukraine is not some homogeneous blob, but a large country with complex cultural and ethnic situations. Most people outside western parts of Ukraine never wanted this war, and they just want the war to end. The way this all ends is that everything except the nationalist rump state will be absorbed into Russia and then Europe will be left to deal with the remaining far right nationalist who will feel betrayed by you lot, and who have been making contacts with fascists all across Europe this whole time, sending them all the weapons that disappeared. Enjoy what's coming to you.
None of this justfies invading another country, unless you want to justify invasion of Afghanistan or Iraq.
You don't have to justify all invasions to justify some invasions?
If someones argument justifies pretty much any invasion, including some of the most egregious and vile wars in history there might be something wrong with the argument, or holding such an opinion.
But it doesn't? Iraq is on the other side of the world from the US, Ukraine is on Russia's border, they're just totally different contexts.
Oh but oil prices are the single most important factor to US policy, so any country that can influence them is a threat obviously? Just as much as possible Ukrainian NATO border is, but Finish NATO border is not, you know, it's all logical!
You realize Finland is farther North than Ukraine? There's lots of ice most of the year. With hilly terrain. And it's very forested. There's not a lot of actual crossing points in that border, in an invasion it would require building lots of infrastructure that just doesn't exist. Moving troops and tanks across the border would be slow and difficult. I think Russia would change its tune on Finland if they suddenly started building lots of infrastructure to enable border crossing, but for now it's not really a threat.
Ever heard of north passage opening? Basically main economic oportunity for Russia other then its raw materials?
Yes, that would change geopolitics dramatically. That also probably won't happen for a few decades until the ice caps melt a lot more, though.
https://gcaptain.com/first-panamax-containership-sprints-across-arctic-reaching-china-in-just-three-weeks/
For now shipping services between Europe and Asia via the North remain limited to a 3-4 months summer window, but as sea ice retreats earlier in summer and returns later in winter more operators will surely look to the Arctic for new opportunities.
Like I said. In a few decades the Northern passage will just be an open sea route most of the year.
Talking about justifying things is just a way to do moralizing. The way to avoid conflicts is by developing understanding for the interests and concerns of different nations, and treating one another with respect. After the fall of USSR, the west decided that it can ignore Russia's security concerns and keep pushing an aggressive military alliance onto Russian borders. That's what caused the war.
Plenty of western experts have been warning about this for decades on end. This only became controversial to mention after the war started. Here's what Chomsky has to say on the issue recently:
https://truthout.org/articles/us-approach-to-ukraine-and-russia-has-left-the-domain-of-rational-discourse/
https://truthout.org/articles/noam-chomsky-us-military-escalation-against-russia-would-have-no-victors/
50 prominent foreign policy experts (former senators, military officers, diplomats, etc.) sent an open letter to Clinton outlining their opposition to NATO expansion back in 1997:
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George Kennan, arguably America's greatest ever foreign policy strategist, the architect of the U.S. cold war strategy warned that NATO expansion was a "tragic mistake" that ought to ultimately provoke a "bad reaction from Russia" back in 1998.
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Jack F. Matlock Jr., US Ambassador to the Soviet Union from 1987-1991, warning in 1997 that NATO expansion was "the most profound strategic blunder, [encouraging] a chain of events that could produce the most serious security threat [...] since the Soviet Union collapsed"
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Even Gorbachev warned about this. All these experts were marginalized, silenced, and ignored. Yet, now people are trying to rewrite history and pretend that Russia attacked Ukraine out of the blue and completely unprovoked.
Look at a map sometime and learn a bit of history. Finland borders a very difficult forested terrain, and Russia has never been invaded through Finland. However, Russia has been invaded multiple times through Ukraine.
Yeah, absolutely no invasions going over these forests whatsoever, apart for say these;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HeimosodatBut I guess it's only an invasion and imperialism if it happens to Russia?
Oh, and most effective ones against Russia itself? Never bothered with Ukraine;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_invasion_of_Russia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Russian_War_(1609%E2%80%931618)Even for nazis Ukraine was one of three axis of attack, but they never reached as far as the earlier two, partially due to the massive distances over the steppes.
So the fuck you talking about? Especially claiming to know any of the history of the region? Kiev Rus? Yeah, Moscow basically did not exist when it was at it's height of power ffs. If you bothered to learn any history every surrounding country, including China, considers them a imperialist dangerous neighbor willing to invade given any chance, and always working toward that. With the small difference China is probably already marking Siberia as it's territory nowdays.
And obviously you're pretending that neither has the technology changed, and obviously 1000km of steppe is the best possible approach, since aircraft, drones, satellites and tactical missiles of nukes are not an option... This NATO bullshit was clearly checked when Scandinavians joined, Královec by the Baltic is now surrounded by it, borders extended in a tarain much harder to secure, a key new possible lifeline for Russian economy is threatened by Finish and Norwegian proximity, but no, somehow Ukraine would be a threat, and that's why the fighting focuses not on a direction of capital, but on the resource rich areas. How can you be so blind?
Maybe should read the wiki links you're spamming? 😂
What I'm talking about, is that Ukraine is a big wide open steppe through which majority of the invading forces attack. The fact that you can't understand this really is phenomenal.
And obviously you’re pretending that neither has the technology changed, and obviously 1000km of steppe is the best possible approach, since aircraft, drones, satellites and tactical missiles of nukes are not an option
And obviously you're ignorant of how actual warfare works given then you think you can win a war without ground invasion. You're like a poster child for the Dunning-Kruger effect.
Out of 2 forces that reached Moscow, which one went through Ukraine?
BTW another pro-peace undertaking of Russia: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/11/18/russia-vetoes-sudan-ceasefire-resolution-at-un-security-council
Oh look, the same clown who's cheering for Ukrainians to keep dying in a senseless war pretends to give a fuck about people in Sudan. You ain't fooling anybody.
Out of 2 brain calls you have available which one did you use to write that reply?
You'd do anything not to accept the fact, that your argument is absolute bullshit, wouldn't you?
Poles raided Moscow, and set their Czar btw, going straight through current day Belarus. So did the French reach it. So attempted the Germans. The argument of Ukraine being needed for that has no basis neither in history nor modern warfare.
It's obvious that you're not interested in honest or rational discussion here and just keep deflecting. I love how you think you're being clever while being utterly transparent.
What's "deflecting" about giving you very simple, clear historical evidence your argument is invalid?
your reply had fuck all to do with the comment you replied to
Oh look, the same clown who’s cheering for Ukrainians to keep dying in a senseless war pretends to give a fuck about people in Sudan. You ain’t fooling anybody.
Faced with the fact that you don't actually give a shit about other people, you simply hop on to a different topic like the clown that you are.
You're hillarious, here's a refresher of your own escaping https://lemmy.ml/comment/15056594
I'm not escaping anything there, but hey you cope the best you can there.
You claim Finland is somehow impossible to cross, even tho Russia itself invaded over these terrains at least 3 times in the XX century. You claim Ukraine is somehow key to Russian security even tho both times Moscow was reached by European countries it was done over Belarus. I'm coping? That is nearly funny.
The fact that Russia had as much difficulty in Winter War as they did actually shows why Finland is bad terrain. It's hilarious how you keep doubling down on your idiocy here.
You picked the one with the worst effect for Russia out of three, yes, but still won by Russia, so what was your point exactly?
And have you ever seen any footage of actual fighting in Ukraine? It's either armored units getting butchered in the open fields, or tree-lines being the only safe means of approach and defensible entrenched positions.
Finland is exactly the type of terrain that enables modern military action. Unless you're expecting NATO to use heavy cavalry, or (the earlier) battle of Kursk style mass tank formations, which is by now even less likely then cavalry. Pick your favorite highway of death between the Iraqi and the north of Kyiv one for a reality check my dear tank aficionado. Not to mention the absolutely spectacular position of Severomorsk - northern fleet command, relative to NATO borders nowadays. Or the fact that Russia is in reality so scared of NATO that there's hardly any equipment or experienced troops left in that region currently as a cherry on top.
Yeah, I've seen plenty of footage of fighting in Ukraine, and if you pay attention to Kursk then you'll see how much harder fighting there is because of terrain. You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about, yet you're brimming with confidence. Absolutely incredible stuff.
Either yandex has some different maps or every map and satellite footage proves you wrong. Feel free to post anything that would prove that, or just enjoy the comparison of how much less forests is has compared to Ukraine.
Actually even took screens to have more fun of showing how idiotic your argument is, but lemmys limit hits in and I cant be bothered to spend the extra 2 minutes compressing it. Did you at least take a look at the maps now?
That seems to be the modus operandi, they're also collaborating with the far right in Hungary and Finland
