Thanks @happybadger@hexbear.net for sharing the person’s profile in the other thread
https://xcancel.com/pepmangione
Looks like he has a mishmash of stupid opinions, but his manifesto is pretty good, and his actions were very good. Critical support for green Mario.
And this is the cracker that white hexbear wants to lionize...
And this is the cracker that white hexbear wants to lionize...
same shit I feel
Forget the brainworms.
The only thing that matters is working class vs ruling class.
Brainworms can be solved if you can first get people on working class vs ruling class. You have them listening to prole agitators instead of the bourgeoise. The brainworms were injected by the fact they've been listening to the bourgeoise in the first place, once you get them away from that and into a communist sphere of influence you can melt them away.
I agree with you completely. It’s clear he gives a shit about the greater good even if his analysis sucks. The latter can be fixed. Well not in this guy’s case — he’s fucked.
Yeah my point is not so much about this guy but how discussion about this guy can be channeled. Not just this guy but the sentiment "shooting CEOs is good actually" is literally everywhere now, which is NEVER going to be something the right supports.
A highly upvoted comment on Ben Shapiro's video condemning the shooting was "if the left supports this call me a leftist then".
All we have to do to actually get people to hear us out is use the right language when they open the door, then fix the brainworms once they're actually listening to us. The biggest barrier is getting them to listen in the first place.
Gotta strike while the irons hot. People are temporarily amenable to radical action, so they will be more willing to listen to ideas they normally tune out
To be true, it need to be consistent against discrimination that divide the working class (such as racism, patriarchy and imperialism). So one who imply in class struggle, shall not be class first However I honestly didn't get how this kind of position could be right wing. There is consistent left position in both atheism and religious. Moreover, both religion and political atheism are trusted by far right.
I don't think we need to create perfect communists.
What we need to create is a party large enough and organised enough to seize the moment. And a proletariat angry enough to do revolution.
ANY party that is large and well organised enough to.... ORGANISE... Will defacto become the vessel of revolution because people will be forced into supporting whatever is realistic and available when it happens.
Hamas for example has all the weapons, largely because of supporting allies in Hezbollah and Iran. This used to be the PFLP but then the soviet union fell and that's where their supplies were from so they've dropped off as the most realistic vessel for resistance in Palestine, people support the most realistic thing that can do resistance and that thing happens to be who has the most weapons.
The same scenario plays out in revolutions around the world. Those with the most organisational power (and the most ability to do violence) will leap to the forefront of a revolutionary situation. The people will want neither of the main parties, they will want whatever the most realistic next possible is. The job of communists is to become that and be ready for the opportunity, then seize it decisively when it comes and fend off opposition.
The members of the party need to be perfect communists, for obvious reasons, the party needs to be led well and have good ideology. The people that follow it do not, it's beneficial but not important for purism among the proletariat itself.
What got accomplished here? United replaced their CEO the same day and their stock price went up. This'd be a viable take if there were any copycats; and honestly, will be a viable take if copycats DO jump out-- but they haven't yet. Words are wind. Let's see some motion.
This isn't the one to lionize. Like, I'm not hunkering down in a foxhole next to some cracker I know was talm bout "DEI" and "woke" just last week, if anything, that's the mfer I'm gonna use as a bullet catcher when I need to move out and draw fire.
The right has done more this year than the left has on decades. The first trump shooter. Arguably the second trump bush guy. And now the adjuster.
Pretty pathetic
Subscribing to a grounded theory is banned in Ivy League schools. Prove you are a genius and invent your own theory!
The more complicated and granular it is, the more writing-on-mirrors tortured genius it must be, I assume. (Nobody is going to check)
Remember when speaking with those outside of Hexbear: Someone who expresses right-wing ideas while performing leftist actions (or vice versa) is truly neither left nor right, they are an inconsistent reactionary. If we resonate with a left-wing action taken by a reactionary, then we are resonating with the leftist aspect of the action and not the reactionary aspect of the actor.
In this way we can hopefully support the action while also decoupling ourselves from criticisms of the actor. If that's something you want to do in this situation.
idk i'm not really ready to call it, although i am ready to shitpost toward that general sentiment
ReadFanon@hexbear.net recently gave a good summary of the leninist position and i don't disagree with it. but i'm also not convinced that a little black cat action on the side really hurts things.
I thought about it a little more and I think it's probably best just to go with "critical support" since the deed is already done.
The importance of refocusing adventurism on organized efforts seems diminished when there is hardly any adventurism - and hardly an party politics - to begin with.
But I'd still rather not be the arbiter of that decision lol
Well, adventurism isn't going to get society there. It might inspire some people to organize, or at least gather around an issue. When something seen as tragic or heroic happens, it sometimes inspires people to do something about it, but it might as well have no results. Even if all of the ceo died today, tomorrow just as many would be in their places.
Yes I very much agree with that. The system has endless options for bodies to fill chairs. Nothing really changes until there are systemic changes, which adventurism alone cannot achieve.
My reason for support is more measured - people are inspired but 99.999% will not follow in his footsteps. We can be there to show them that they can contribute to change without doing anything so grand. The energy right now can be directed toward basic activities, seized by reactionaries, or it can dissipate. I don't think the first option is realistic unless we show a little critical support.
Also I think it's pretty alienating in this moment not to. I've seen a small minority of people (including all of the US media) oppose this particular event strongly and they sounded really disconnected.
While tragic, him being a right winger doesn't un-shoot the ceo
once again a shooter turns out to be a worm brained individualistic libertarian freakThis is from 2022 though. NY Post was claiming he was posting anti-capitalist and Ted Kazinsky shit somewhere. I haven't seen it. His twitter stops 2022 and I suspect that's around when his relative got fucked by United. I suspect he becomes a theoryless anticapitalist or anarchist.
It should always be assumed that lone wolf assassins have some wild highly individualistic personal theories if any.
Americans (and most people really) are gonna have incoherent politics without clear ideology.
he was still retweeting up until June (i think NY post is just lying)
Bah I was confused by the pinned tweet. Yeah he's an Ivy League tech bro through and through.
This is going to further entrench the, concerningly common, idea that the right wing is currently more anti-establishment than the left.
It’s more of a symptom that the left does not exist in America, so that disenfranchised people turn to the populist right which then funnels away all the radical energy.
What has the left, if there exists such a movement, done to advance healthcare rights during a global pandemic over the last few years, an opportunity handed to them on a platter? The answer is none, if anything they completely folded to the establishment narrative. So there shouldn’t be any surprise why the left keeps losing ground in America.
I don't think he's an ideologically committed right winger tho, he just has a confused ideology because he's the perfect target demographic for the algorithm to serve right wing shit to. His twitter feed is pretty much what I'd expect from an average techbro college student.
For the record, your posts on this subject are a breath of fresh air. It's so tiring seeing all the idiots on this website tripping over themselves to justifying their continued desire to lionize this guy.
Mostly all He/Hims too, but I doubt pointing that out would be taken very well. What a shocker that it's he/hims that have no issue with their favorite special 'heroic' twink of the day being a reactionary acclerationist.Mostly all He/Hims too, but I doubt pointing that out would be taken very well. What a shocker that it's he/hims that have no issue with their favorite special 'heroic' twink of the day being a reactionary acclerationist.And probably all white; considering I haven't seen one em_poc poster actively rallying for him in the wake of the (alleged, bc I don't really know how much I believe Luigi == Robin Hoodie reporting just yet) information hitting the 24/7 news cycle.
I know this is a real ideological current but I don't think the average techbro dude that reposts Elon tweets knows anything about any of this.
I don't really understand what I'm seeing here tbh, the only person I recognize is Sam Harris.
That doesn't make any sense. The crux of right wing ideology is that profit is the highest virtue, and if someone can't afford the commodified necessities of life this results in, then they don't deserve to live. Why would they kill one of their heroes?
Its really easy to worship the boot when you're the one doing the stomping. Whole lot harder when you're under it.
I'm no conspiracy theorist, and I don't have any other corroborating evidence, but his banner has an x-ray. I'm wondering if our guy got himself into serious medical debt with a denied claim, read the :deny-defend-depose: book and went from there?
what funny is it isn't anywhere on his goodreads list. maybe he picked it up in the last 6 mos and didn't log it
i guess it's possible he became laser focused obsessed in the last 6 mos after his own issues and his grandparents died. best case scenario really.
He falls off Twitter and the injury picture are my only "evidence"
maybe he picked it up in the last 6 mos and didn't log it
Oh he logged it. Gave it a three out of six if I recall
Seems like the most likely scenario. If he's a standard brainwormed techbro he might not have cared or thought about health insurance until it fucked him over personally and decided to take things into his own hands
He also wanted to get into AI/ML, so I can easily see him reading United's use of AI for denials and get even more driven.
To the right-libertarian, the truest believer in free markets and capitalism in the abstract, a monopolistic corporation is a scandal. These sorts of middlemen are not part of the libertarian’s idealized conception of capitalism. Therefore this CEO would be preventing the smooth and morally good functioning of capitalism.
He’s basically an ancap
, which imo fits perfectly well on the right-wing side of things.I think this guy has personal experiences due to some sort of spinal fusion seen in his Twitter banner. So, his politics may only be a part of his motive.
A good thing to remember is that an-caps believe that it is government regulations that mess up the market operating 'correctly', and that 'Obama-care' manipulated the 'free market' and forced healthcare insurance corporations onto the American public.
They can absolutely hold a grudge against 'corporatists and statists'. The fact of the matter is that regardless of his ideology, even if he was an an-cap this doesn't actually do anything. It's good and funny because CEO's are some of the most worthless people on the planet, but not exactly a project builder.
He did seem to drop off the radar, cut contact with friends and family for 6 months.
So while he probably does have incoherent and reactionary beliefs. Judging his motives from old posts may not accurate.
He could have turned into the correct kind of communist or gone fully fash or something way weirder in that time.
Wonder what his manifesto says.
He apparently set up his youtube account to post a video of him reading it in 2 days. the account will probably get banned, but I wonder if he had other accounts set up, or on other streaming sites
there's no proof the youtube account is him it's most likely fake given you can change your @ on youtube and the channel description is just a copy paste of his twitter bio
just saw it myself. should have dropped immediately as a techbro he has got to know they're going to shut down his socials
My theory is that he is just really smart (Ivy league/private school education) and set up a hard/alt-right social media presence years in advance while planning this hero mission so when/if he got caught the right would be blamed for the act/radicalization.
Smart assassins change, flee to Russia, and Dremel their Glock into shards and throw it in the Hudson
Well we're gonna find out soon enough unless the popo doesn't take down the channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCraQ_E1ffrxpDwUg-9KQgjA
Edit: whelp it's gone already
God damn it. They're going to find a post about lobsters next and my boner is going to turn into an innie so fast.
There's some posts about how he thinks Peterson is boring and deliberately convoluting.
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You guys are so easy to fool. All the Adjuster had to do was find this schmuck who looked vaguely like him and dump all his evidence on him and then boom, the patsy gets picked up and the Adjuster gets off scot free! Hell, he probably called in the tip himself!
