See what I'm going to do is I'm going to make the nazis look equally bad to all these other things. That way the nazi atrocities will look less problematic and I get to smear my enemies with a tainted term.
You're trying to hard to see what you want to see in order to sound morally superior for Internet high fives.
It is clearly a half assed joke saying that if you call a group horrible, someone with get butt hurt and respond accordingly. Which in a round about way is exactly what you did. Any further reading into it is on you.
Just so you know, Nazis have used assertions exactly like what Zoldyck said literally since the day after the nazis were defeated.
One name for it is "double genocide theory" which is used to a) diminish the crimes of the Nazis/ even to the extent of genocide denial and b) equate fascism and communism (an absolutely absurd claim, to be clear. Ask about it if you're unaware!)
This is not something we regularly go around doing, we are very careful with what stuff we call nazi shit. We're careful not to make the word lose its meaning. This was an example of a common nazi/nazi-adjacent talking point, and we take it seriously when we encounter it.
Its just like "Blue Lives Matter" is thinly veiled racism. other examples include 1488, the 14 words, 'states rights', etc.
It is clearly a half assed joke
They may have thought it was just a joke when saying it, but the intent doesn't matter, because they may also have known what they were doing and did it on purpose, because they're a nazi/ nazi adjacent.
You seem to know what you're talking about, and not going to debate you on any of the points you just brought up. I certainly don't disagree with anything you just said. I just still feel it's a stretch to assume that comment is equating all of those things that were listed. That's not what I took away from it at all, and still don't.
just still feel it's a stretch to assume that comment is equating all of those things that were listed.
I'm not sure I understand, Isnt that explicitly what the point of the post was? to equate all those things so that communists would get angry at them? what point was that comment making, in your view?
In my view, I don't think it was aimed soIely at communism. Can't speak for the intent of the poster unless they weigh in though. My view when saying they wanted to test something and then say several groups were horrible was to get a reaction from those that belong to said groups as a sort of half assed shotgun technique. I really didn't expect it to get a rise out of anyone reasonable which is why I made my initial comment. All of those groups listed have various sized vocal subgroups that will aggressively defend their view points with a "them vs us" take.
That said the view points themselves are very different so that is where the equivalence stops.
I can understand that. From my perspective, as a communist, I probably would have come down on them even if they just said nazis bad US bad Australia bad
In this case I heartily agree, but we again have the issue of lackadaisically equating things to the nazis. Australia sure is a terrible trash fire of a settler colonialist planet killer, but they aren’t nazis and they didn’t do the holocaust
But many american have also fought and died for what little rights we have in america, such as the 8hr. And the sit down strike.
Those communists have been hunted to extinction, they are dead. Although some tatters of the old are beginning to rise again, they have little chance of forming a good resistance to the US in the belly of the beast.
I am an optimist on almost everything else, but there is no hope for america
Just "chilling with communists" doesn't do anything. Have you heard of Fred Hampton? Black Panthers? CPUSA? All murdered and torn apart until it was no longer recognizable!
Maybe if there was some sign of a marxist movement arising out of dissatisfaction in the US, I would reconsider, but all that exists are a bunch of commies "chilling" in their own little cliques of nobodies.
We're going to do our best, but know that the empire will only fall once its subjects and vassals have been destroyed.
There are black panthers alive in prison. Still participateing in class action. Shows how much you know.
Your thinking is stupid lifestyle individualism. There are some former Panthers around, and a tiny number haven't even sold out, but the Black Panther Party is long gone and without being organized, their activism cannot be more than charity work.
us existing isn't gonna overthrow capitalism is I think the point. we may help put the pieces back together, but Its more likely for the revolution to come to us than start within us, I think
I mean yeah because the US does the same horrible horrible shit other existing countries do just more of it. Mentioning the smaller problem while ignoring the bigger problem(that we are closer to) is just how liberal brainwashing works.
Let's do a little experiment:
See what I'm going to do is I'm going to make the nazis look equally bad to all these other things. That way the nazi atrocities will look less problematic and I get to smear my enemies with a tainted term.
No I'm not a nazi, why do you ask?
I can't believe it actually worked lol
you pushed back on my nazi apologia just like I predicted
Checkmate liberal
Is wasn't mine
You're trying to hard to see what you want to see in order to sound morally superior for Internet high fives.
It is clearly a half assed joke saying that if you call a group horrible, someone with get butt hurt and respond accordingly. Which in a round about way is exactly what you did. Any further reading into it is on you.
Just so you know, Nazis have used assertions exactly like what Zoldyck said literally since the day after the nazis were defeated.
One name for it is "double genocide theory" which is used to a) diminish the crimes of the Nazis/ even to the extent of genocide denial and b) equate fascism and communism (an absolutely absurd claim, to be clear. Ask about it if you're unaware!)
This is not something we regularly go around doing, we are very careful with what stuff we call nazi shit. We're careful not to make the word lose its meaning. This was an example of a common nazi/nazi-adjacent talking point, and we take it seriously when we encounter it.
Its just like "Blue Lives Matter" is thinly veiled racism. other examples include 1488, the 14 words, 'states rights', etc.
They may have thought it was just a joke when saying it, but the intent doesn't matter, because they may also have known what they were doing and did it on purpose, because they're a nazi/ nazi adjacent.
You seem to know what you're talking about, and not going to debate you on any of the points you just brought up. I certainly don't disagree with anything you just said. I just still feel it's a stretch to assume that comment is equating all of those things that were listed. That's not what I took away from it at all, and still don't.
I'm not sure I understand, Isnt that explicitly what the point of the post was? to equate all those things so that communists would get angry at them? what point was that comment making, in your view?
In my view, I don't think it was aimed soIely at communism. Can't speak for the intent of the poster unless they weigh in though. My view when saying they wanted to test something and then say several groups were horrible was to get a reaction from those that belong to said groups as a sort of half assed shotgun technique. I really didn't expect it to get a rise out of anyone reasonable which is why I made my initial comment. All of those groups listed have various sized vocal subgroups that will aggressively defend their view points with a "them vs us" take.
That said the view points themselves are very different so that is where the equivalence stops.
I can understand that. From my perspective, as a communist, I probably would have come down on them even if they just said nazis bad US bad Australia bad
In this case I heartily agree, but we again have the issue of lackadaisically equating things to the nazis. Australia sure is a terrible trash fire of a settler colonialist planet killer, but they aren’t nazis and they didn’t do the holocaust
Anyway, thanks for engaging reasonably! Take care
You are a fool lmfao
“I pushed this object off my shelf and just like I predicted it fell to the ground!”
Good enough for Galileo
well Galileo is DEAD
Well that's not very nice, calling people names.
got us wow
Didn't know calling Nazi's horrible is apologetic...
The comment doesn't mention Child Rapists, so I guess OP doesn't think those are horrible?
Child rapists are X
Shoplifters are X
School Shooters are X
Black people are X
White people are X
Do you see where I'm going with this yet? It doesn't matter what X is. What matters is the equals sign.
Goddamn it I don't know man, I failed algebra. X equals 42?
NO INVESTIGATION, NO RIGHT TO SPEAK
Silence, lib
This would be a case of the transitive property, formally speaking
let's do a little experiment kicks you in the groin
😂
there's no such thing as a tankie
China is good
shut the fuck up liberal
Death to America
Found a tankie.
Also death to america.
If America must die, who is going to kill it?
Americans!
Why are they not killing it now?
Americans are the most politically inept bags of shit on this planet, they'd sooner turn to fascism than ever get the balls to nudge left
That is factually untrue.
Many americams do turn to facism and that is currently happening in america with frightening speed.
But many american have also fought and died for what little rights we have in america, such as the 8hr. And the sit down strike.
Many were anarchist, communists and other socalist such as lucy parsons.
Those communists have been hunted to extinction, they are dead. Although some tatters of the old are beginning to rise again, they have little chance of forming a good resistance to the US in the belly of the beast.
I am an optimist on almost everything else, but there is no hope for america
I chill with communists in america often. So im gonna assume you dont know what your are talking about.
Just "chilling with communists" doesn't do anything. Have you heard of Fred Hampton? Black Panthers? CPUSA? All murdered and torn apart until it was no longer recognizable!
Maybe if there was some sign of a marxist movement arising out of dissatisfaction in the US, I would reconsider, but all that exists are a bunch of commies "chilling" in their own little cliques of nobodies.
We're going to do our best, but know that the empire will only fall once its subjects and vassals have been destroyed.
There are black panthers alive in prison. Still participateing in class action. Shows how much you know.
You've been about 50% wrong about almost everything you have stated. I can really give a shit if you will " reconsider."
Also when i said i chill with communist i was pointing out that they exist in america. Im not posting my resistance activities on a federate network.
Your thinking is stupid lifestyle individualism. There are some former Panthers around, and a tiny number haven't even sold out, but the Black Panther Party is long gone and without being organized, their activism cannot be more than charity work.
I wont be continuing a conversation with anybody downplaying prison abolition.
What a trash take.
smh my head, these auth communists who can't even handle contrary opinions
us existing isn't gonna overthrow capitalism is I think the point. we may help put the pieces back together, but Its more likely for the revolution to come to us than start within us, I think
Thats really sad.
yeah, it is
Yeah, that's unfortunately not likely. Revolutionary potential is way stronger in the periphery of the imperial order, not in the core.
One struggle
🥰
Interesting how exactly 4 of those are things a state has identified as.
The fun is if you had made some point about something china or Russia related and HADN'T also mentioned that the US is horrible, you'd get dogpiled.
The US is horrible, leave me alone
I mean yeah because the US does the same horrible horrible shit other existing countries do just more of it. Mentioning the smaller problem while ignoring the bigger problem(that we are closer to) is just how liberal brainwashing works.
I like concision: people are horrible.
:P
you're just talking about yourself lmao
Death to America