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I don’t have the original but I got it from: https://twitter.com/gunganstrangler/status/1337766952924827650?s=21
Imagine studying the french revolution and your main takeaway is about Antoinette.
tbh she's a fascinating character. Her weird as fuck family and her somehow even weirder scandals are perfect popcorn entertainment.
I like the one where the sex worker whose whole thing was looking like the queen got hired as part of a palace intrigue thing to make some government bureaucrat think he was having an affair with the Marie Antoinette. Or something like that.
That plotline rules. It was some scammers trying to fence some fake jewels right?
Isn't there a movie a-la sex and the city about her that's basically this?
I wrote a 50 page paper for my history degree thesis on the Jacobins justice system. While there were undeniably flaws in the system which can be ascribed to the messy often imperfect nature of revolutions, I read countless primary and secondary sources and concluded, the Jacobins did absolutely nothing wrong.
SHE DID NOT SAY IT AT ALL. SHE SAID NOTHING ABOUT BRIOCHE, OR CAKE, OR ANYTHING. IT'S FROM A BOOK WHERE SHE ISN'T NAMED, INDEED NO ONE IS NAMED BECAUSE IT'S SAID BY A NAMELESS CHARACTER AS AN OFFHANDED REMARK TO JUSTIFY A BIT OF INDULGENCE. NO ONE IS EVEN TALKING ABOUT REVOLUTION OR STARVATION IN THAT CHAPTER, IT'S A DUDE JUSTIFYING SPLURGING IN AN IMAGINED CONVERSATION.
Brioche is fancy ass bread, back then it was basically just short of cake
It’s an enriched dough (butter/egg), so more than your typical French loaf.
The "nugget of truth" I heard was that there was some french law that stated a bakery had to sell cake at bread price if it was out of bread. No, I will not verify if that is true
Marie "Dress budget larger than entire provinces" Antoinette is actually just being scapegoated for decadence!
AKSHUALLY her primary extravagance was her hairdresser, who became the equivalent of a millionaire and bought like... opera houses... with the money he got from her. His primary job was to cover up her balding and thin hair (Which tbf must suck as a queen) with extravagant nonsense.
Fake news. She had an entire village built in her backyard, including a mill, a manor house with a boudoir, a dairy, a barn, a dovecote and an associated pointless marble decorative building in the style of a shrine to aphrodite.
Only insofar as you consider the "Queen’s House" a palace. The place is called "Hameau de la Reine" (The queen's village"). The entire thing is built around a lake with a bunch of purpose built cottages, and is entirely ludicrous.
It also fit within one corner of her backyard
And once again I want to emphasise that it was a fully functioning farm with full time staff to maintain it, with a herd of cows, pigs, various fowl, and a field which supplied fruit to the palace, and it was in one corner of her backyard.
Versailles famously smelled like shit all the time. They just let wild exotic animals walk around the outside all the time.
Here’s a struggle session for everyone: Let’s grant that Marie Antoinette was a trafficked child bride, and should ultimately be seen as a victim of monarchy writ large. That should then apply to all children raised within royalty, over generations. They are all victims of their status.
My take: mostly they’re cognizant humans responsible for their actions, with relatives who occasionally disowned the system providing proof of redemption, so fuck ’em. But we must honor the legacy of the Russian Cosmists and revive the originators of each dynasty so we can kill them again, extra hard.
Please argue with me.
Marie Antoinette knowingly conspired with foreign powers to bring down the revolution, therefore she got what she deserved. I am also going to repeat myself, but Robespierre should've been less lenient.
She is as innocent as any rich asshole today who inherited their wealth, only to then keep all of it for themselves. So not innocent at all.
Also, why do we focus on Marie Antoinette here? Let's talk about all those peasants that were fucked in twenty ways every day. By the standards of the time, saying Marie Antoinette had a rough life before she got revolutioned is fucking stupid. Sure, things sucked back then for everyone, but I daresay it sucked measurably less for the nobility.
Yeah, any peasant woman had to deal with being treated as a piece of property and didn't live in a palace the size of a village.
When bread prices skyrocketed and the crown did nothing, the women of Paris marched into Versailles and forced the royal family out of their little opulent hideaway, they made their demands impossible to ignore. It's pretty clear which is the feminist side to take here.
Sure, but is it worth it to leave a threat of a counter revolution aiming to restore a monarchy, just to spare a few lives?
My weakness is trying to suggest some leniency for young children, but I’ve seen this movie before.
Thats a good weakness to have comrade. I get the pragmatic arguments behind why killing the Romanov kids was necessary, but it still just fucks me up because they were just kids. (Also, Puyi kinda fucks up the whole pragmatic necessity argument right?)
puyi's situation was different because mao wasn't fighting against monarchists, he was fighting against republicans. plus his association with the japanese regime made him so vile that no one would've wanted to put him back on the throne anyways. and, on top of that, he wasn't returned to china from the USSR until after the communists had already won the revolution. puyi's case is an interesting one for sure but i don't really think that it is universal
Yeah, I get all that. I prefer to believe that there was a way around killing the Romanov kids but I get that revolutions are messy.
I feel like the worst part of that is not because of the kids but because of their relative’s countries and armies.
Afaik the Bolsheviks didn't consider it necessary, no one has ever managed to find some kind of command from higher ups given to kill the Romanov children or even to execute the Romanovs on the spot.
It was a decision voted by Yekaterinburg Soviet, when the Whites had come close to the city.
+1 to decentralization.
revive the originators of each dynasty so we can kill them again, extra hard.
Video games of the future where Unreal Tournament combined with that shitty movie "Gamer", except instead of Gerard Butler, it's Marie Antoinette, Czar Nicholas III and Obama
My favorite part honestly is calling them terrorists. While technically true, most people don't use the label terrorist unless there is a nonviolent way to bring about change, which there literally isn't in an absolute monarchy.
People on the lib left like to point out that white extremists are basically never labeled terrorists (which fair enough) so I think that's what she's going for here? Ultimately terrorist is a loaded term no matter what, and one that inherently exists to justify the security state (or in this case a fucking monarchy lol), so I'd rather square that circle by not calling anyone a terrorist rather than asking for white people to get sent to CIA torture sites as well.
Yeah it's a dumb term. Terrorism is a tactic that has been used throughout history, sometimes justifiably, oftentimes not
There’s also a huge difference between massacring random civilians and targeted insurrection towards a powerful enemy, yet both get called terrorism.
I think it's cuz they sympathize with the individual child and forget that the masses have many, many children too. this is just a consequence of having so much propaganda and culture focused around the nobility rather than from the view of the people.
Ooh that's good. I love reading prose like this. I would love to read him more.
It's also interesting just how many details we know about the famous historical emperors and compare that to how little is known about the peasants and the people. Everyone lives an eventful life, filled with enough details to write books about it, yet the masses are lumped together and the kings given their own histories. I don't know. Whenever I read earlier literature, it always bothers me just how much is centered around the rulers.
Also, man the Anastasia movie kinda sucked. But that song "Once Upon a December" including its video is a fucking work of art. I've been obsessed with it since childhood.
She's not wrong about the brioche, the only thing the french love more than that is attacking jews and their government
Hon hon hon please send more becon greaze to le racisme I mean baguette factorie!
