• Lovely_sombrero [he/him]
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    1 year ago

    Not directly related to this, but I just remembered when the cops shot up that UPS truck with the hostage inside. The hostage was killed by the cops and UPS apologized to the cops.

    • emizeko [they/them]
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      1 year ago

      killed two bystander motorists in other cars as well, and the police were also taking cover behind occupied vehicles

        • cryptymythy [he/him, any]
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          1 year ago

          I thought they survived even though they dumped like a hundred rounds into a truck that was a different make and model

            • ShimmeringKoi [comrade/them]
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              1 year ago

              Someone recently linked me a compilation of cops losing gunfights, and there are multiple clips where the pigs are trying to shoot someone in the back while they run away, but miss over and over. So, so many of them really are dogshit with their weapons

              • D3FNC [any]
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                1 year ago

                Accuracy with a handgun past ten feet is not a trivial skill to obtain.

                  • D3FNC [any]
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                    1 year ago

                    I don't really agree with that, ideally they shouldn't even have access to any firearms at all. Some forms of peace officers historically never carried arms.

                    Especially for people who grew up around violence just an officer near you wearing a gun ratchets the stakes up considerably. Then of course they always want to take it out, wave it around and proceed to violate every single element of firearm safety like a sick form of bingo.

                    • ShimmeringKoi [comrade/them]
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                      1 year ago

                      Disagree with what? You're talking about how you think things should be, i'm talking about what their actual job actually is. They exist as enforcers for capital, and a lot of them are bad at it.

    • spectre [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      From my memory it wasn't so much an "apology" as a "we thank you an respect you for your service". Not that it matters a whole lot.

  • Ho_Chi_Chungus [she/her]
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    1 year ago

    Same thing with the "bystander effect" as well which was just the New York Times running cover for the police making the murder of Kitty Genovese even worse for her friends

    • uralsolo
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      1 year ago

      deleted by creator

      • spectre [he/him]
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        1 year ago

        My understanding was that it had to do not so much with defection as much as POWs being anti-war and unwilling to fight when they were returned due to DPRK/PRC propaganda. Of course, the propaganda was just a tour of Pyongyang and other firsthand witness of the destruction their side caused.

        • emizeko [they/them]
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          1 year ago

          iirc many of the returning veterans were also confessing or trying to blow the whistle on American use of biological warfare

  • alexandra_kollontai [she/her]
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    1 year ago

    FYI, posting Discord links with ?ex in the middle will expire at some point, so in future you should copy/save the image and reupload to Hexbear so the post is preserved for future viewers.

    • RNAi [he/him]
      hexagon
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      1 year ago

      Done, but Hexbear images also have expiration dates: aka the server gets borked again and flushes all the images, again. All my ten-upbears OCs, gone

    • SeventyTwoTrillion [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      I do try and spread communist ideas on that subreddit from time to time (it's one of the last couple subreddits I can bring myself to go on nowadays) but it's often frustrating to see people who kinda get it but can't make it past the last few hurdles.

      • zkrzsz [he/him]
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        1 year ago

        People will be more convinced of things they come up with it themselves, I think the guy you talked to maybe not there yet, but couple of passers-by could get it.

  • Vncredleader
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    1 year ago

    Reminds me of when the Ned Kelly gang had taken hostages in their last shootout and they let them go only for the police to open fire on the hostages who then fled back to the gang cause they trusted them more

  • Utter_Karate [he/him, comrade/them]
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    1 year ago

    Also, in absolutely any hostage situation you SHOULD develop Stockholm Syndrome. Trying to convince your kidnappers that you are on their side is just a healthy survival instinct doing exactly what it is supposed to, even if you live in a fantasy land where the cops are all good guys who care only about your safety. This is a bit like giving the desire to leave a burning building a name and trying to tell people that it is a mental disorder.

    • D3FNC [any]
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      1 year ago

      Convincing your kidnappers you're on their side is not stockholm syndrome.

      Actually coming to believe it yourself despite the kidnappers not actually valuing your life, against your own material best interests, is the traditional definition.

      • Utter_Karate [he/him, comrade/them]
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        1 year ago

        Sure, but the traditional definition is based on a real hostage situation and it is specifically based on how those people acted while still being held hostage. Once they were free it turned out that they didn't actually enjoy being held hostage and didn't love their captors. Convincing their kidnappers that they were on their side is pretty much all they were doing.

  • Gorillatactics [none/use name]
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    1 year ago

    Bus 174 is a documentary about street kid who took a bus hostage. Throughout they make references to a deadly outcome and when they got to that part, it turns out the police fucked up and caused the deaths.

    It's a good documentary despite it being made by the same guy who went on to make narcos.