fight me
How dare you ive never been so insulted sir i challenge you to a duel
:panopticon: owls see all, and panopticons see all. Coincidence!?
Maybe :owl-wink:
I don't understand why Brann doesn't simply give the ring to the Ravens and have them drop it into the volcano.
Pretty simple answer, it's because Dumbledore wouldn't let him as it's against the prime directive.
I do hate it when my favorite gay wizard tells me the aliens said no shortcuts.
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I like how a bunch of libs compared Daenerys to Hillary and then Daenerys burned a city and killed a bunch of civilians for no good reason, prompting those libs to scream about Berniebros ruining culture
"Of course they wouldn't let a woman rule."
I love how people assume the only way a woman could do anything is if she was allowed to do so, the implication being that women are so weak that they couldn't possibly get there without being allowed.
People forget that women fought and died for their current rights. Women were outright murdered while protesting the right to vote. They fucking took those rights, no one gave it to them.
And even then, the people that claim that old fashioned societies wouldn't have female rulers forget about people like Cleopatra, Boudicca and Queen Elizabeth.
"Women can't lead because they're mentally unfit and also idealists will end up bringing chaos"
The whole show was sexist as fuck and reeked of "depressing shit=realistic"
“depressing shit=realistic”
This part isn't wrong, it's called Hellworld for a reason
Maybe, but the idea that a better world is possible isn't unrealistic.
The first book is excellent. By book three, it has the bones of a very good series. Then it drops off pretty quickly.
GRRM's surrounding fiction - The Tales of Dunk and Egg, the Targaryen novellas, some of the more long-winded histoigraphy - all make for excellent story telling and world building.
But without a proper climax or conclusion, it's just going to leave a terrible taste in your mouth. And the TV Series slap-dash ending is at least as bad, if not worse, than the never-released final novels. It did do a good job of redux-ing the Book 4/5 content to make the story more palpable and coherent, though.
gave up midway through book four because he kept opening up new plotlines without ever resolving any of the dozens he had going
It has its moments, but waiting six years for a novel that takes the story nowhere is annoying af.
Never saw s1-s5, the muttin happens in the books, but not the way I read from wikiGoT
The mutiny happens and it's presented as morally grey, you could see yourself acting as the mutineers did in that situation. In the show they add a ridiculous cartoon character drinking out of the lord commander's skull because they're hack writers. Anyway even ignoring that the jig was up by S5 and the sand snakes, well before S7
The books are actually really medicore. Not bad exactly, but basically fantasy slopfests
I just think it could've been much tighter if he kept the cast of characters smaller. Like it feels almost like a step back in storytelling, we used to be able to tell stories about the rise and fall of empires through relatively simple allegories, now we have this interconnecting intricate web that is so complex the author isn't sure how to end it, and it's there to communicate the minor interpersonal drama of the ruling class. Well, I guess it's more realistic.
They're pretty good until the last two, which are frankly tedious.
But they never were the lofty achievements their biggest fans made them out to be. Maybe could've been if they remained consistent and you know actually ended
Respectfully disagree, I think the first one is outright bad and they climb to being just mediocre as they proceed
I haven't read them in about a decade, so I could possibly have the same opinion now. I remember being weirded out by their ages and everything then. I thought the plotting was pretty good and overall thought put into it. But that all unraveled following the third entry.
Don't have any problem with people not liking them, though! The fandom around the books can be a bit insufferable.
You're right that the plotting was good and it had that sense of a rich and deeply considered world, which kept me with it, I really respect GRR as a worldbuilder (weird old pervert element aside), but I just mean the prose, it starts off pretty poor and slowly gets better but never becomes really good
Oh yeah. No disagreements about the prose at all! Definitely one of the weaker aspects of his writing.
Going to do what I always do when fantasy comes up and reccomend Joe Abercrombie. And he actually writes books unlike a lot of people that get reccomended.
could i sugest "The name of the wind" and "A Wise Man's Fear" they are really good fantasy books, the main gimmick is that the incredible things have already happened and the main character the great hero is an older sad man that owns a inn and he tells a writter about his story from the point where things can't be changed it is just a real good book not too high fantasy, like i would suggest actually reading the prologue which is what actually got me to read it, it is just short, sweet and sets the tone very well
Read killsixbilliondemons.com
Absolutely fantastic art and writing, writer is a leftist and the philosophy throughout is very good.
It's not higher calibre than game of thrones, but I actually really liked the Drizzt prequel books. Homeland, Exile and Sojourn. I wasn't so hot on the other books in the series. They are ok. I also really liked the Erevis Cale trilogy by Paul S. Kemp. Both trilogies are set in the forgotten realms, which is a Dungeons and Dragons thing.
I am actually a super big fan of LoTR, I have read them several times as well as the silmarilion and the hobbit.
I have a soft spot for the Sand Snakes storyline, because one the final scenes contains my favourite piece of dialogue in the entire series. Honestly you could make the whole "screenwriters whispered fuck under their breath" bit about "you want a good girl but you need bad pussy". That line is absolutely amazing, and thats the hill I die on.
My issue with them is that they were built up to be a bad pussy and then when actually tested they were worse in combat than an 8 year-old girl who took fencing lessons. I'd have to rewatch it to see just how hostile I am to them now, but at the time I remember thinking they were weak to the point that it seemed misogynistic.
The ending sucks. Why did Daenerys' army just accept to go home empty-handed? They had traveled to a far-away land and fought and died. At least you would expect them to pillage everything in sight but they just let the people they've conquered elect a new king and leave in peace and quiet.
The unsullied were basically robots but it is totally unbelievable that the dothraki, whose entire thing was to be pillaging chaotic rapists, just accepted that the war was over.
they forgot the dothraki as a plot point like they died fighting winter and came back and did nothing at all got in the boat that they hate and went back
the books are fine like i am more of a "the name of wind" kinda guy, but like, i enjoy how george makes the world and deals with prophecy like there are multiple prophecies going on with weird implications, but we don't know who is the prophecy talking about or if it is even correct, also i think the books do a way better job at dealing with the characters like dany for example people were really mad that she did some war crimes but like i had read the books and that made sense like it makes sense that the lady that has gotten everything by power and fire will use power and fire to get it and the books really gives emphasis to the whole targeryans are either insane or briliant like it is a strong theme on her character that really makes the whole she doesn't care about civilians more of sensible thing, and i would imagine there would be a bigger focus on dany slowly realizing that this land she has always dreamed of being queen does not want her and that would probably set up the whole burning of a city better
Yeah the books are actually pretty good. I saw a post recently that compared Tormund in the show to Tormund in the books. In the show he's just like "where's the tall woman?!" and just doing this bit the whole time because he tested well with audiences and they were afraid to turn any dials that might make him appear complex. While in the books he does shit like confide in Jon about how sad he is that both of his sons have died tragically recently. I think the show was decent for a while too, but the showrunners couldn't see past the hype after a while and just wanted to please fans, then they had to rush an ending without the benefit of a much better writer's detailed books to go off.
it literally was the problem that happens with manga that people start adding stuff for character to do following popularity polls and they should have given it to another person because they knew it was going to be shit like to the point that hbo wanted to give them more episodes and they decided to make it a shorter season
The fact that it was originally supposed to be a trilogy turned 5-part and now seven part series for the show adaptation to also stretch to another season is the only on brand thing the show did past season 4.
Also book 4 sucked shit to read, 3/10 and Winds of Winter's ending is appalling to say the least. Just terrible two books.
nah the one who wasnt even in an entire season of the show and i didnt notice despite seeing the series multiple times :(
Never had any interest in it, to me it just seemed like the Zach Snyder "Wouldn't it be fuckin' twisted if Batman got raped in a prison shower, bro????" mentality applied to Lord of the Rings
It beggars belief that showrunners didn't learn anything from the LOST finale debacle.
Why waste all those juicy hints at a big reveal to waste them in a hackneyed abortion of an ending?
CoK is relatively good, the rest are pretty boring outside of the red wedding and dont have a lot going on.
We could've had an insightful takedown of high fantasy, but ended up with dragons, boobs, and gratuitous violence of all sorts.
Yeah, but at least in the first few books GRRM subverted a lot of fantasy tropes to shock the reader (our young hero getting disabled, his noble dad getting parodied, minimal magic, etc.) but then he got up his ass with world building and it got away from him after the third book.
First 4 seasons were pretty great outside the obvious problematic core concepts. Writing really dropped off after Tyrion left King's Landing.
Edit: Davos is the only good character, I will die on this hill.
Looking back the way they handled the end of Stannis Baratheon you could see the blueprints of how they would end the whole thing
