Ategon [any]

Yeah at the end of the day everyones human and we all should try to get along as much as possible including refining our current stances/ways we deal with things in the presence of new info rather than ad hominem people. Usually theres a lot of ideas brought up that one person themselves doesnt think of so trying to discuss and get those ideas. Been getting a lot of negative sentiment in this situation while doing so so might have to just heads down work on improvements for a bit now to improve on my mental health and just get some meditation working time but if anyone needs to get into contact with me for something you want to bring up feel free to dm my programming.dev account at @Ategon@programming.dev . Thanks everyone thats been giving stuff for me to think about in the thread already as well.

The two accounts is one aspect thats being added in for another problem that was also brought up in this situation (admin flairs always showing up) and theres some other ways we are dealing with the aspects like transphobia. I outlined a bit of a code of conduct and added it to the things in my queue for creating for the instance with user, mod & admin expected conducts (and all three of these public). Currently we just have rules in the sidebar but this should flesh them out more and let it be referenced well for transparent decisions and things to hold people accountable and help people improve on how they behave. Also have been dealing with things within the admin team and refined our current internal admin guidebook and added some sections there since thats already made while the other one finishes up and been making the admin team go through that. The expected conduct part wasnt in the initial meta post but ive been adding on and thinking/looking at suggestions for improvements for us to make. Also going to be doing an overhaul of our rules a bit once that finishes to reference it more

The comment there broke two rules, just chose one for the reason. Other one (transphobia) was more relevant to the comment itself and probably should have done that in the box, just been mostly trying to deal with things quick

Went through the reports including that one mostly at the same time when I got free time to do so which is why it took a bit

fair, I can check it over when im off work to see what I missed. We are attempting to improve things about how we deal with the actions and admin conduct in the future and im taking feedback here as well as in the other threads into account to help improve how we handle things in the future to refine the current stance on how we deal with them (including ways we deal with them Ive said in the past in this thread + some other areas, to look at and see if that can be improved which its been pointed out it can)

can you link me to those comments with the speculation about that. I dealt with things but might have missed some of them but ive been trying to juggle doing a lot of things rn and they havent been sent into the reports

Ive been trying to improve things but yeah if you guys feel like it would be an issue that comes up again between the communities youre free to handle federation however you want including defederating from us. Just been trying to make that not happen due to misunderstandings and things were improving. Im going to be adding a conduct guide in the future for our members the follow on a supporting site and hopefully get more people around to manage things

There are a lot of people in other instances in that thread as well (a lot of which you guys wont see comments from in posts in the instance anyways due to them not being on the whitelist even before it gets looked at by mods) and within the instance usually this isnt an issue before this case but we generally try to leave things for mods to deal with if possible to help admins with all of the tasks so things can be less strict sometimes (especially if not reported)

Edit: also note im reading and taking into account all the things you guys are saying in the thread, just dont have time to respond to everyone

The two account situation is to solve another issue with the situation which is taking things admins say as speaking on behalf of the instance due to all comments getting marked with the admin or mod flair. If they post things breaking instance rules on there they will still be handled. Im going to be refining the guidebook more with things like intended conduct on all accounts just havent fleshed out the specific sections yet

But yeah last paragraph is fair. Typically what I try to convey with the rules in the site sidebar so people dont have to dig around for stuff and can see what we handle on the instance but yeah not every opinion can be conveyed in instance rules

sorry my bad with that wording. Point there is referring to them having a point they are attempting to argue which is the second part of that comment (the they section). Point in the context just refers to an argument rather than the supporting of an argument. Realize now that it can be interpreted pretty differently from what i intended edit: updated it to just be the be civil part

Im trying to deal with the situation but this has been a pain to try to manage especially since its workdays, going to try to deal with the uncivil comments in the thread. Usually we do a multiple strike system for this kind of thing since people can change

Hey im Ategon, wanted to clarify some things about the situation

Used triggered in the sense I typically do with coding which is the action of triggering an event to occur. Ive edited it to started to make it more clear

snowe currently has limited internet which is mostly why ive been handling everything and im the one doing things like making the posts, etc. I was able to talk with him about the situation but there hasnt really been time for him to publicly talk about it properly

the comment from snowe was due to it not being relevant to the initial argument rather than targeting the content of the pronoun response itself, It is ambiguous when reading though. Ive been mostly talking to blahaj for now since thats been taking all my free time for the start of the day but im going to say here sorry to you guys as well for this situation happening since it was mostly hexbear users in the conversation

Hey, one of the people in question here. Just wanted to clear up a bit of a misunderstanding. Use of the word triggered was referring to the conversation being started by a certain action rather than using it to describe the person. (branch refers to a branch of the conversation and the action is the thing after triggered). Ive edited the post to change the word to started to make it a bit more clear

Some communities being hidden are: https://hexbear.net/c/politics https://hexbear.net/c/news https://hexbear.net/c/marxism https://hexbear.net/c/anarchism https://hexbear.net/c/sino https://hexbear.net/c/memes

Some communities not being hidden are: https://hexbear.net/c/science https://hexbear.net/c/gardening https://hexbear.net/c/art https://hexbear.net/c/gamedev https://hexbear.net/c/hobby https://hexbear.net/c/ttrpg https://hexbear.net/c/games https://hexbear.net/c/sports

(Theres more in both categories but that should give you an idea of the separation)

All of these will still be findable within the instance, just the ones at the top wont get people randomly wandering in from the all feed

Ah yeah were definitely following our rules in the sidebar (I've had to ban some already). All communities have some element of being political to them but the difference im making is whether its focused on politics itself as opposed to something like a tool or niche

Were a neutral instance so we dont explicitly back other instances and we federate with as many instances as possible (within reason) to get everyone who wants to to able to participate in the coding chats (defederations are all due to legal reasons or due to those instances being very focused on hate speech (and a couple due to technical reasons due to federation breaking with them))

Heres also a link to an updated announcement + discussion if someone wants it https://programming.dev/post/2652745 (the other link is about us being removed from the allowlist)

Communities will be hidden from things such as the all feed by default but if a user explicitly subscribes to it it will still show up for them everywhere as normal

Yeah we have a rule against hate speech and depending on severity people can be warned (and then other actions if its repeated) or banned if very severe. Due to it being an instance wide rule it applies to all communities in there and gets handled by the admins (which should mostly be me if im online).

Shouldnt be that much of an issue due to the nature of our instance being focused around a niche and so far has been fine in the instance with both hexbear users and lemmy.blahaj.zone users in there being fine to participate

Hey, im the programming.dev admin in charge of community management. We are hiding communities in other instances as well (primarily all communities related to politics and communities that are 50% or more bot content) (ive hid some from lemmy.world, lemmy.ml, lemmygrad, etc.)

Its not a full block but it means the content wont show to people by default unless they explicitly subscribe to it. So it wont show up to people browsing the all feed

Just got it coded into the site last night so itll take effect instantly if you guys decide to federate (whereas before it was completely open which had some issues due to the amount of different views people in the instance have)