I'm not really looking to get into a debate about scripture and homosexuality, but even if we assume it is a sin, I don't see how that negates what is said in 1 Timothy.
We are all sinners, but called upon to love each other, at the worst such an interpretation would warrant preaching for them to change their ways, not kick them out.
But it is, though. Intent doesn't matter, impact does. Preaching to trans to change their ways? That's literally conversion therapy.
There is no reliable evidence that sexual orientation can be changed and medical institutions warn that conversion therapy practices are ineffective and potentially harmful.
Which is something I never said to do, I said for the sake of argument if homosexuality was a sin (which is not a position I hold) that the worst someone could do and still be adhering to scripture would be to do that not kick them out.
at the worst such an interpretation would warrant preaching for them to change their ways, not kick them out.
Preaching at them to change their ways is attempted conversion therapy. "Oh, you can still live here under my roof, but I'm going to hector and snipe at you every day and make you feel like shit."
Idk if english is your second language or something, but I honestly don't know how to make myself more clear.
When someone says "let's say for the sake of argument ________" they aren't actually endorsing said position.
I honestly don't even understand what overall point you are trying to get at anymore.
You say people shouldn't quote scripture because people can for evil or as a political tool and I say that this quotation is used for good and to just treat trans people with respect.
Then you say "yeah but there are passages in the bible that can be read as anti-homosexuality"
and I said EVEN IF THEY CAN BE THAT DOESN'T WARRANT KICKING SOMEONE ONTO THE STREET BECAUSE OF WHAT 1 TIMOTHY SAID.
At no point was I actively endorsing conversion therapy.
I'm not really looking to get into a debate about scripture and homosexuality, but even if we assume it is a sin, I don't see how that negates what is said in 1 Timothy.
We are all sinners, but called upon to love each other, at the worst such an interpretation would warrant preaching for them to change their ways, not kick them out.
I didn't expect to see anyone preaching conversion therapy, but here we are.
If that’s what you think I am doing then you are just being purposefully obtuse
But it is, though. Intent doesn't matter, impact does. Preaching to trans to change their ways? That's literally conversion therapy.
There is no reliable evidence that sexual orientation can be changed and medical institutions warn that conversion therapy practices are ineffective and potentially harmful.
Which is something I never said to do, I said for the sake of argument if homosexuality was a sin (which is not a position I hold) that the worst someone could do and still be adhering to scripture would be to do that not kick them out.
You said:
Preaching at them to change their ways is attempted conversion therapy. "Oh, you can still live here under my roof, but I'm going to hector and snipe at you every day and make you feel like shit."
Idk if english is your second language or something, but I honestly don't know how to make myself more clear.
When someone says "let's say for the sake of argument ________" they aren't actually endorsing said position.
I honestly don't even understand what overall point you are trying to get at anymore.
You say people shouldn't quote scripture because people can for evil or as a political tool and I say that this quotation is used for good and to just treat trans people with respect.
Then you say "yeah but there are passages in the bible that can be read as anti-homosexuality"
and I said EVEN IF THEY CAN BE THAT DOESN'T WARRANT KICKING SOMEONE ONTO THE STREET BECAUSE OF WHAT 1 TIMOTHY SAID.
At no point was I actively endorsing conversion therapy.
You did, you just belatedly realized it when I pointed it out to you.