• garbology [he/him]
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    edit-2
    4 years ago

    Good way to see those parents do a speedrun from Bible literalism to allegorical/historical interpretations no glitches any%

  • Malikto [none/use name]
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    4 years ago

    “The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose."

    -- William Shakespeare, "The Merchant of Venice"

    Knowledge of Scripture does not necessarily equate to good intentions or correct moral positions, since biblical quotations can be manipulated or taken out of context to support nefarious acts or agendas. People use the Bible as a crutch to convince others that one is right in his or her social or political position. Goodness knows Christians have committed enough evil acts while quoting Scripture.

    • REallyN [she/her,they/them]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      Okay?
      But idk what you are suggesting?
      That Christians not use scripture as guidance or self-reflection?
      I agree with your point about using scripture as a crutch to push social or political positions and disagree when socialist seem to use scripture more to push for socialism than using socialism to establish economic relations more aligns with the kingdom of God.
      But caring for your children and trans people and treating them with dignity isn't a political act, in the same way.
      Christ says we will know a good tree by it's fruits and the fruits this use of scripture bears is love.

      • Malikto [none/use name]
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        4 years ago

        It is possible within the 62 books of the Protestant Bible to find passages that speak to both sides of an issue.

        Leviticus 22:18 says, “With a male you shall not lie, the lying down of a woman. It is an abomination.”

        • REallyN [she/her,they/them]
          hexagon
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          4 years ago

          I'm not really looking to get into a debate about scripture and homosexuality, but even if we assume it is a sin, I don't see how that negates what is said in 1 Timothy.
          We are all sinners, but called upon to love each other, at the worst such an interpretation would warrant preaching for them to change their ways, not kick them out.

          • Malikto [none/use name]
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            4 years ago

            would warrant preaching for them to change their ways

            I didn't expect to see anyone preaching conversion therapy, but here we are.

              • Malikto [none/use name]
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                4 years ago

                But it is, though. Intent doesn't matter, impact does. Preaching to trans to change their ways? That's literally conversion therapy.

                There is no reliable evidence that sexual orientation can be changed and medical institutions warn that conversion therapy practices are ineffective and potentially harmful.

                • REallyN [she/her,they/them]
                  hexagon
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                  4 years ago

                  Which is something I never said to do, I said for the sake of argument if homosexuality was a sin (which is not a position I hold) that the worst someone could do and still be adhering to scripture would be to do that not kick them out.

                  • Malikto [none/use name]
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                    4 years ago

                    You said:

                    at the worst such an interpretation would warrant preaching for them to change their ways, not kick them out.

                    Preaching at them to change their ways is attempted conversion therapy. "Oh, you can still live here under my roof, but I'm going to hector and snipe at you every day and make you feel like shit."

                    • REallyN [she/her,they/them]
                      hexagon
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                      4 years ago

                      Idk if english is your second language or something, but I honestly don't know how to make myself more clear.

                      When someone says "let's say for the sake of argument ________" they aren't actually endorsing said position.
                      I honestly don't even understand what overall point you are trying to get at anymore.

                      You say people shouldn't quote scripture because people can for evil or as a political tool and I say that this quotation is used for good and to just treat trans people with respect.
                      Then you say "yeah but there are passages in the bible that can be read as anti-homosexuality"
                      and I said EVEN IF THEY CAN BE THAT DOESN'T WARRANT KICKING SOMEONE ONTO THE STREET BECAUSE OF WHAT 1 TIMOTHY SAID.

                      At no point was I actively endorsing conversion therapy.