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make sure to read sources before sharing them.

DO NOT COPY-PASTE THIS ON LEMMY LOL, THIS IS A BRAINSTORM FOR OUR USE

We should pool our sources and evidence in this thread so that people with approved lemmy accounts can start spreading it there.

Feel free to contribute lol, it's a lot of work for me to do on my own and I might miss stuff or make mistakes, although I'm gonna keep going help or no

I'll grab links in a second (and there are some good articles I'd like to find that gather lots of evidence in one place), but here's some stuff off the top of my head:

I don't really have much off the top of my head for Uighur genocide stuff

I'll stick articles down here, some of which aggregate lots of evidence in one place

How psy-ops warriors fooled me about Tiananmen Square: a warning ...edgy-sounding title though

1989: Tiananmen Square ‘massacre’ was a myth

How Much Longer Do We Need to Propagate Lies About Tiananmen Square?

Tiananmen — The Big Lie

Tiananmen: The Massacre that Wasn’t

1989 Tiananmen Square "Student Massacre" was a hoax

The Truth Behind the Myth of the 'Tiananmen Square Massacre' - Opinion Piece By Dr. Dennis Etler

Notes for 30th Anniversary of TianAnMen Incident, courtesy of /u/GarbageShoot

Tiananmen Square Massacre – Facts, Fiction and Propaganda Lots of good images and western media quotes, but the site hosts some goofy articles so be careful citing it

Let’s talk about Tiananmen Square, 1989: My hearsay is better than your hearsay

Birth of a massacre myth, courtesy of /u/GarbageShoot

CBS news: There was no "Tiananmen Square Massacre", courtesy of /u/robinn

a NYT questioning the massacre, courtesy of /u/robinn and here's a pastebin rip

dessalines, a Lemmy dev, has a good socialism FAQ, including sections on Tiananmen, courtesy of /u/PorkrollPosadist

[link] [link] these two /r/ChangeMyView comments on China are great, courtesy of /u/geikei

[link] [link] [link] Some old hexbear threads, courtesy of /u/Finger

not China, but /u/robinn also made a carrd on the DPRK and linked a good twitter thread by ProleWiki

Comments in this thread to check out. I'll try to also add their info up here.

/u/robinn: https://hexbear.net/post/271448/comment/3513792

/u/Awoo suggests keeping things short and digestible instead of posting long effortposts, since libs will just count on people not reading the whole thing and they will point at it and say "See? They deny the Uighur genocide" or "See, they deny Tiananmen" https://hexbear.net/post/271448/comment/3514089

/u/GnastyGnuts has some great links but I hit char limit https://hexbear.net/post/271448/comment/3514972

/u/Krause has more great links https://hexbear.net/comment/3529874

Lemmy posts and comments from us

by /u/GarbageShoot: https://lemmy.ml/comment/476526

  • iie [they/them, he/him]
    hexagon
    ·
    1 year ago

    They will count on people not actually reading these posts

    That's a good point.

    What we need is to make shit as short and digestible as humanly possible

    Good idea. Punchy headlines linking elsewhere instead of effortposts maybe.

    • Awoo [she/her]
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      1 year ago

      Effortposts are fine, but they need summaries, and the summaries need to be at the start and in a bulletpoint format with links for further reading.

      I don't know if you ever saw the lib that got famous on /r/politics for their big link posts in comment sections but that seems to be a format that worked, digestable enough points with links for further reading to back it up. I can't remember that user's name right now though.

      • iie [they/them, he/him]
        hexagon
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        edit-2
        1 year ago

        Effortposts are fine, but they need bulletpoint summaries at the start with links for further reading

        This sounds good. I'd like to get a polished draft like that put together here on hexbear, maybe in the comments of this thread, something that hits hard even if someone only glances at it. For now I'll try to finish gathering links in the post body, then I or someone else can get a draft started that others can help with

        • Awoo [she/her]
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          edit-2
          1 year ago

          I suspect the average lib can only absorb 5 points at a time. If I were to do something like this I'd try to keep summaries down to 5 key points, with attributable links. The links might be long themselves but the point is to drive things down to an extremely digestable level.

          We're really shit at the information war in part because we frontload the heavy information when we should frontload the crib notes and rearload the heavier content backing it up. Even news sites are aware that people only read the headline and the first paragraph like 90% of the time or some shit.

          • iie [they/them, he/him]
            hexagon
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            edit-2
            1 year ago

            Maybe:

            • link to compilation of western media voices acknowledging no one died in the square and calling out the propaganda
            • link to compilation of protest organizers including Hou Dejian acknowleding no one died in the square
            • link to Telegraph article on the wikileaks cable
            • link to Spanish news crew footage of people leaving the square
            • maybe something about NED and CIA involvement? idk about this one
            • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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              1 year ago

              I think the video I mentioned in my Lemmy comment would be great for point 2, since it juxtaposed those testimonies with some of Chai Ling's statements.