Russia invaded Ukraine, twice, now the second time Ukraine is fighting back with western help, how is that a "proxy war"?
I assume you would agree that the Vietnam War, in which the US intervened to help the south vietnamese against the north vietnamese who were backed by the USSR, was a proxy war? This conflict has fairly similar origins. The DPR and LPR breakaway republics were backed by Russia, while Ukraine was backed by the US/NATO in what was initially a civil war. Now Russia has intervened fully, but the Ukrainian side is still a proxy for the US. Even if we believe the DPR/LPR to be russian puppets, the same was true for south Vietnam.
Following the US backed 2014 coup of Ukraine's elected leader, in part for not being anti-Russian enough, there were mass protests and demonstrations in Crimea against the rabidly anti-Russian (both the country and Russian speaking populace that makes up much of Eastern Ukraine) incoming coup government. It held a referendum on independence, which passes with massive popular support. Russia was asked, by Crimea, to guarantee it's security when it was clear that the coup government of Ukraine would not accept their independence, and as a result there was annexation. Meanwhile, the Ukrainian coup government was also engaged in a brutal civil war against the Donetsk and Luhansk oblast regions including daily shelling and empowering neo-Nazi groups to commit murder, torture, and terrorism against the people of those regions.
Literally all of this is historical fact that you'd know if you read literally anything on the subject, even a Wikipedia article, and is acknowledged even by those who support thr 2014 coup and subsequent Ukrainian governments.
You're calling people delusional while not even knowing the first thing about actual historical fact. Go do some reading.
I assume you would agree that the Vietnam War, in which the US intervened to help the south vietnamese against the north vietnamese who were backed by the USSR, was a proxy war? This conflict has fairly similar origins. The DPR and LPR breakaway republics were backed by Russia, while Ukraine was backed by the US/NATO in what was initially a civil war. Now Russia has intervened fully, but the Ukrainian side is still a proxy for the US. Even if we believe the DPR/LPR to be russian puppets, the same was true for south Vietnam.
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The war in Donbass that started in 2014? How are you this wrong and smug at the same time?
Following the US backed 2014 coup of Ukraine's elected leader, in part for not being anti-Russian enough, there were mass protests and demonstrations in Crimea against the rabidly anti-Russian (both the country and Russian speaking populace that makes up much of Eastern Ukraine) incoming coup government. It held a referendum on independence, which passes with massive popular support. Russia was asked, by Crimea, to guarantee it's security when it was clear that the coup government of Ukraine would not accept their independence, and as a result there was annexation. Meanwhile, the Ukrainian coup government was also engaged in a brutal civil war against the Donetsk and Luhansk oblast regions including daily shelling and empowering neo-Nazi groups to commit murder, torture, and terrorism against the people of those regions.
Literally all of this is historical fact that you'd know if you read literally anything on the subject, even a Wikipedia article, and is acknowledged even by those who support thr 2014 coup and subsequent Ukrainian governments.
You're calling people delusional while not even knowing the first thing about actual historical fact. Go do some reading.