Repulsion at the thought of sharing space with the most vulnerable humans literally unable to communicate or control their emotions is a sign of a deeply sick society
Do some self-crit. Why do you feel that way and why has our society applauded that idea? Where did the idea of kids should be seen but not heard come from and why did our society so quickly adopt it? Why are kids seen as an inconvenience instead of learning to exist in society? What affect does this have on you and on kids you interact with?
"Oh no. I live in Los Angeles and my kid's beloved grandfather from Boston just died. But I have a newborn and they cry sometimes because they're a newborn, and Stuka@lemmy.ml doesn't want to hear babies being normal babies so I guess we'll just have to miss the funeral."
The idea that a person should have to skip their father's funeral because they have a newborn is absolutely fucking bonkers. Public transport is for everyone that needs to be transported (or should be).
Americans pay close to 20% of their income for childcare which the richest country in the history of the world chooses not to pay for.
For Americans, giving birth costs thousands of dollars for the hospital visit if nothing goes wrong, nevermind the OB visits or testing necessary.
Again in America, most people have no maternal/paternal leave. This is legislative punishment. Removing productivity from the economy must be punished and barriers to people having kids must be put up. Children cannot contribute to the economy, so are treated as burdens and a nuisance. Children are not allowed to interact in most of society because they are "loud and obnoxious" and are expected to be neither seen nor heard. When they are, parents are shamed by people like you.
And then there's little shits like those in this thread who sneer at the very idea of kids being around them.
ETA: for comparison, communist East Germany had
6 months of paid maternity leave while pregnant
1,000 marks up front for your kid (about a month's wages)
1 year of paid maternity leave after birth of child
Job guarantee after that time away
23 days PTO annually to care for sick children. Shift workers got additional 10 days
Guaranteed free childcare for 3-6 yr olds and for those under 3 if you qualified
And they had no where near the wealth or resources that the USA does. This was in the 80s during heavy political pressure too!
Your lack of basic human empathy is infinitely more annoying. I hope that you yourself are a child with an underdeveloped brain, because the alternative is that you have no soul.
There's also a complete contradiction in how these people see children. Children are not an individual issue, as if the only input they get is from their caretakers. They are moulded and shaped by society like everyone else, and a society that teaches them that being a normal kid is wrong because it inconveniences adults actively harms everyone. So by even thinking children can behave in ways they physically can't -- their brain isn't even developed for Christ's sake -- by making the individual choice to belittle or shame children for being kids, these individuals actively make society worse, thereby continuing the cycle of sickness.
I'd bet in many cases that people who resent children existing are actually resentful they weren't allowed to be children.
People complain about science denial a lot but then those same people will act like young children are capable of active malice when its scientific consensus among developmental psychologists that they are not. I've had this argument so many times.
A restaurant where people pay money for an exclusive experience that is focused around pure enjoyment, important to note that it is not transporting a family to go see Grandpa before he dies
Repulsion at the thought of sharing space with the most vulnerable humans literally unable to communicate or control their emotions is a sign of a deeply sick society
Them being unable to control it doesnt make them less annoying.
Do some self-crit. Why do you feel that way and why has our society applauded that idea? Where did the idea of kids should be seen but not heard come from and why did our society so quickly adopt it? Why are kids seen as an inconvenience instead of learning to exist in society? What affect does this have on you and on kids you interact with?
Stop taking screaming babies on airplanes.
"Oh no. I live in Los Angeles and my kid's beloved grandfather from Boston just died. But I have a newborn and they cry sometimes because they're a newborn, and Stuka@lemmy.ml doesn't want to hear babies being normal babies so I guess we'll just have to miss the funeral."
Yeah, sometimes we miss events. The priveledge of being a parent.
The idea that a person should have to skip their father's funeral because they have a newborn is absolutely fucking bonkers. Public transport is for everyone that needs to be transported (or should be).
Privilege? Our society actively punishes and shames parents, what are you talking about
LOL
Americans pay close to 20% of their income for childcare which the richest country in the history of the world chooses not to pay for.
For Americans, giving birth costs thousands of dollars for the hospital visit if nothing goes wrong, nevermind the OB visits or testing necessary.
Again in America, most people have no maternal/paternal leave. This is legislative punishment. Removing productivity from the economy must be punished and barriers to people having kids must be put up. Children cannot contribute to the economy, so are treated as burdens and a nuisance. Children are not allowed to interact in most of society because they are "loud and obnoxious" and are expected to be neither seen nor heard. When they are, parents are shamed by people like you.
And then there's little shits like those in this thread who sneer at the very idea of kids being around them.
ETA: for comparison, communist East Germany had
And they had no where near the wealth or resources that the USA does. This was in the 80s during heavy political pressure too!
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Your lack of basic human empathy is infinitely more annoying. I hope that you yourself are a child with an underdeveloped brain, because the alternative is that you have no soul.
I don't think I could be on a flight with this guy.
Thank you for saying it. Its frustrating how common revulsion towards children is.
There's also a complete contradiction in how these people see children. Children are not an individual issue, as if the only input they get is from their caretakers. They are moulded and shaped by society like everyone else, and a society that teaches them that being a normal kid is wrong because it inconveniences adults actively harms everyone. So by even thinking children can behave in ways they physically can't -- their brain isn't even developed for Christ's sake -- by making the individual choice to belittle or shame children for being kids, these individuals actively make society worse, thereby continuing the cycle of sickness.
I'd bet in many cases that people who resent children existing are actually resentful they weren't allowed to be children.
People complain about science denial a lot but then those same people will act like young children are capable of active malice when its scientific consensus among developmental psychologists that they are not. I've had this argument so many times.
They do make a lot of noise and shit in their pants.
Yes that is developmentally normal behaviour
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My sibling in Christ, it is public transport not Noma
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A restaurant where people pay money for an exclusive experience that is focused around pure enjoyment, important to note that it is not transporting a family to go see Grandpa before he dies
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I typed out "noma deez nuts" but erased it in case someone else didn't know what it was lol