As an owner of children
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TIL about the term "Parent".
OP, 2023.
Sidenote: if you're pretending shit for internet points, at least try for 10 seconds to put yourself in the shoes of the person you're pretending to be...
labor theory of value but it's for kids: how hard you worked during sex = the value of the child
are we not entitled to the sweat of our privates?
Rothbard moment
Yes, I traded an iPod for them
Self reporting here.
How anybody flies without noise-canceling headphones these days is beyond me.
In business class, no less. Like come in you rich dorks, you have no excuse to be prepared for this shit.
Overpriced. And then you need them for every member of the family :)
And they also might not work well enough
Or just suck it up and be and adult instead of complaining about literal babies 24/7. Go back to r/childfree
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Yeah ok I'll just fucking have my kids put down at the vet before I go on holiday! Get a fucking grip!
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The only people I'm not happy to see are insufferable r/childfree redditors who hate on literal children. If you hate babies there is something wrong with your brain.
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Well good, I accepted that long before I ever had kids!
Honestly? You should.
They should put soulless freaks like you down. Having empathy for literal babies is a basic requirement for a human being.
don’t go on holiday if you have cum pets. You chose that when you couldn’t keep it in your pants.
You think you're more deserving of a holiday just because you're shooting blanks?
i stay quiet and read my book and don’t annoy the entire plane/train/bus.
Do you want a medal?
You are annoying the entire forum right now. You are outsourcing your shittiness online because you are deeply unwell and need an outlet
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Just because you're so ugly nobody would ever reproduce with you doesn't give you excuse to whine about children all the time. Go back to r/childfree you soulless redditor.
Seems that everyone forgets they were kids once . I mean, we were not born adults and intolerant, right?...
I was never a kid on a plane, because I don't have bad parents.
I'm sorry your family was too broke to ever leave whatever shithole you come from. If your parents were good at your job you wouldn't be threatening to hurt children.
This is one of those things I see people complain about everyone complaining. Like vegans or CrossFit people. I've met far more people complaining about complaints than actual incidents.
Most of us get it. It's kids. I've seen obviously not emotional support animals brought in by asshats. Kids aren't my concern.
Kids these days (Yes, I said that unironically) can't be assed to deal with any amount of discomfort. They've had a childhood of screens put in front of them so they don't have to deal with boredom and other shit that just ruins a person's ability to operate in society.
Grow the fuck up and deal with it.
EDIT: So apparently people are reading this like I'm talking about the crying babies. I'm talking about the ridiculous, pseudo-child-free adults who can't believe a baby might have trouble while flying and god forbid they should hear it cry.
kids these days can't be assed to deal with any amount of discomfort.🤓 🤓 🤓 🤓 🤓
Your lack of self awareness is astounding.
You mean their brains have been wired from an early age to be addicted to short-form content and never tolerate moments with nothing happening because they were given unfettered access to the internet and the psychological manipulation from big corporations that comes with it?
They're just supposed to grow up and deal with that? How?
They’re just supposed to grow up and deal with that?
Literally yes. I'm sure the process might be different for each person, but I don't think it's unreasonable to ask that people learn to deal with the world around them instead of expecting the world to bend to their complaints at every discomfort. It won't.
Mental disorders relating to attention have skyrocketed in recent years, most likely due to the influence of social media on young minds. This shit is causing actual brain damage to these poor children because they don't know any better and their parents won't limit their screen time. You can't put that all on the kid.
I am putting it on the adults complaining about crying kids on planes or whatever other little thing that gets under their skin.
Oh, well that changes the meaning of your comments entirely. Damn pronouns, always causing ambiguity everywhere!
Your aren't tlaking about people. You are talking about children.
kids are people, but yeah, point stands
I'm thankful that my kids fly well, and always have. We flew with them at ~15 months with no issues.
I've always heard the complaints about screaming infants and whatnot...but I've never seen it. Granted, I don't fly too often (and less so more recently), but I've never had the "classic" kid crying through the entire flight. It just doesn't happen as often as people think. I'm sure when it does happen that it's pretty f'n annoying, though.
Repulsion at the thought of sharing space with the most vulnerable humans literally unable to communicate or control their emotions is a sign of a deeply sick society
Them being unable to control it doesnt make them less annoying.
Do some self-crit. Why do you feel that way and why has our society applauded that idea? Where did the idea of kids should be seen but not heard come from and why did our society so quickly adopt it? Why are kids seen as an inconvenience instead of learning to exist in society? What affect does this have on you and on kids you interact with?
Stop taking screaming babies on airplanes.
"Oh no. I live in Los Angeles and my kid's beloved grandfather from Boston just died. But I have a newborn and they cry sometimes because they're a newborn, and Stuka@lemmy.ml doesn't want to hear babies being normal babies so I guess we'll just have to miss the funeral."
Yeah, sometimes we miss events. The priveledge of being a parent.
The idea that a person should have to skip their father's funeral because they have a newborn is absolutely fucking bonkers. Public transport is for everyone that needs to be transported (or should be).
Privilege? Our society actively punishes and shames parents, what are you talking about
LOL
Americans pay close to 20% of their income for childcare which the richest country in the history of the world chooses not to pay for.
For Americans, giving birth costs thousands of dollars for the hospital visit if nothing goes wrong, nevermind the OB visits or testing necessary.
Again in America, most people have no maternal/paternal leave. This is legislative punishment. Removing productivity from the economy must be punished and barriers to people having kids must be put up. Children cannot contribute to the economy, so are treated as burdens and a nuisance. Children are not allowed to interact in most of society because they are "loud and obnoxious" and are expected to be neither seen nor heard. When they are, parents are shamed by people like you.
And then there's little shits like those in this thread who sneer at the very idea of kids being around them.
ETA: for comparison, communist East Germany had
- 6 months of paid maternity leave while pregnant
- 1,000 marks up front for your kid (about a month's wages)
- 1 year of paid maternity leave after birth of child
- Job guarantee after that time away
- 23 days PTO annually to care for sick children. Shift workers got additional 10 days
- Guaranteed free childcare for 3-6 yr olds and for those under 3 if you qualified
And they had no where near the wealth or resources that the USA does. This was in the 80s during heavy political pressure too!
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Your lack of basic human empathy is infinitely more annoying. I hope that you yourself are a child with an underdeveloped brain, because the alternative is that you have no soul.
I don't think I could be on a flight with this guy.
Thank you for saying it. Its frustrating how common revulsion towards children is.
There's also a complete contradiction in how these people see children. Children are not an individual issue, as if the only input they get is from their caretakers. They are moulded and shaped by society like everyone else, and a society that teaches them that being a normal kid is wrong because it inconveniences adults actively harms everyone. So by even thinking children can behave in ways they physically can't -- their brain isn't even developed for Christ's sake -- by making the individual choice to belittle or shame children for being kids, these individuals actively make society worse, thereby continuing the cycle of sickness.
I'd bet in many cases that people who resent children existing are actually resentful they weren't allowed to be children.
People complain about science denial a lot but then those same people will act like young children are capable of active malice when its scientific consensus among developmental psychologists that they are not. I've had this argument so many times.
They do make a lot of noise and shit in their pants.
Yes that is developmentally normal behaviour
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My sibling in Christ, it is public transport not Noma
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A restaurant where people pay money for an exclusive experience that is focused around pure enjoyment, important to note that it is not transporting a family to go see Grandpa before he dies
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Maybe it's different in the USA, but I've travelled a lot and don't think I ever remember a long haul flight without multiple babies and young children. It's just a fact of travelling.
I recently did a 16hr flight solo and the other 3 seats in my row of 4 were parents and a toddler.
That's just part of flying and you should plan for it (noise cancelling headphones, sleeping tablets, ear plugs).
European flights are full of kids. It's just the "child free" movement are very vocal and feel extremely entitled.
kids crying/screaming on public transport/etc rarely bothers me. impatient parents hissing at them to shut up and sit down does, however... i get it, they're tired, being a parent is hard, but still.
a kid cries on the tram? i keep reading, barely even notice
a parent goes off on their kid? rips me right out of the book and makes me take notice
"DAE anyone else hate crotch nuggets. Breeders amirite. Us epic ledditors would never have children because we maintain our virginity."
Shut up already. It's a baby. when your brain develops fully you'll have enough empathy to stop constantly whining about them.
Do you feel personally attacked because you are a baby?
googoo gaga.
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This ass taking weird selfies in his first class seat looks so entitled
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I remember the main complaint against me was trying to fall asleep on the floor during a flight to Japan.
The exception being when one of those kids is running around the plane spitting on people. Happened to me on a return trip from the Philippines. That was neat.
Spends hundreds of euros on a flight. Cant buy a noise cancelling heqdphone or earphone. I kinda assume a babys gonna cry when i fly because 200 people closed in an aluminium cylinder together isnt the most pleasant experience.
Noise cancelling headphones don't work against babies. They are designed for cancelling ambient sound by playing frequencies to cancel out the noise, but can't predict sudden noises like children crying very well. Earplugs or earbuds do a better job at drowning those out by plugging your ears from outside noises
This is correct. I'm baffled by the amount of people making false claims as to the efficacy of noise cancelling headphones. Why are so many people pulling that shit straight out of their ass?
Noise cancelling headphones use destructive interference. Essentially, they play sounds that are designed to bring high pressure to your ears when the sound they're trying to cancel is bringing low pressure and vice versa, so the sum of air pressures adds up to something closer to a normal atmospheric pressure and the sound is quieter overall. In order to do that, it needs to be able to at least kind of guess what sounds will play when.
Cause they are entitled parents that think just because they can content with their own child, everyone else around them should too.
It is not like they are the ones using noise cancelling headphones in planes.
Hey dipshit. Why do you feel entitled to be in public when your redditor neckbeard stench permeates the entire area around you? Why do you feel entitled to be alive when the natural response to psychopaths like you who can not even muster some empathy for literal babies is to put you down?
Well mine wark great with babies crying as well but i do have 350€ headphones sooo
proper earbuds will block out most everything. get ones that actually fit into your canal and play something you'd rather hear. when I put mine in, I literally can't hear anything but my music.
I wear both when angle grinding (at the same time). It cuts out the higher frequencies fairly well. Don't fly much though.
I really feel like society has advanced to whre headphones or ear plugs are a thing you should be able to expect to provide for your self like sunscreen. Maybe you don't need it or want it for every mission. However if you are on a mission where it would have benefitted you to have that's on you for lacking.
I will ruin something for those around me, and it's their fault because they didn't prepare in advance
I can take a decently large amount of annoyance, but past a certain threshold, "society" can go ahead and be prepared to have its kid go home having learned some new phrases like "mommy's a removed and daddy is tired of her shit so he's an absent parent cheating on her with the ugliest coworker who would have him", or "you're part of the 1% that make it through the condom and your parents are so sick of being stuck with you that they don't even try to parent you anymore, they just wait until you're 18 and can legally be kicked out so they can enjoy life again".
Oh, but maybe "society" has advanced to the point where it can get the kid some earplugs or headphones.
At least we're I am from it is a reasonable cultural norm to enjoy kids running around and help people out with their kids if you can. Earplugs are about .23c a piece so it is not an onerous burden I am asking people to endure here. I think your issue isn't actually the kids causing a bother but the kids existing at all.
Your lack of concern for others around you isn't something to be proud of or excused by cultural norms. Enjoy children however you want, don't impose them on others - is that so hard to do?
And moving the conversation to if I like kids or not is not going to help. Regardless of anyone's personal preference, you are still offloading the responsibilities of a parent on to other people. And if you want to do that, then you should be prepared for the fact that those other people might not be as good at parenting as you are, and might leave those kids scarred for life.
Some cultures still beat their children. Would you agree for those kids to experience being hit with a belt, just because they're annoying? After all, if you really believe in this "it takes a village to raise a kid" crap, I hope you're okay with the village bully contributing some life lessons as well. Because if cultural norms can excuse laissez-faire bad parenting, they can also excuse abusive bad parenting.
Or just parent your kids yourself and don't give others the responsibility of parenting them, and then you also won't give them the power to leave the kids traumatized. Simple enough.
Parent who fly with toddlers here. My kids made noise throughout the entire flight. To those passengers who got mad, you know what I think: Fuck you!
To be clear, I never met anyone who was angry. Most people made fun with them and enjoyed seeing the youth
I'll never mention anything on the plane of course because I realize the parents don't really have a choice and small children will inevitably act like small children but I can't really help being annoyed by their behavior either. Some people just don't like kids and that's fine too.
To those passengers who got mad, you know what I think: Fuck you!
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If I see one of you reddit neckbeards lay a single hand on a child I will smash your skull in.
Please don't fly with your kids, especially babies, and if you do, please for the love of all that might be holy, don't do it in business and first class!
Rich people deserve to suffer. Always fly first class with your kids and give them caffeine pills before the flight.
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People in business class or first class are almost never rich. Sky mile programs, travel credit card point programs, gaming point relationships between airlines and affiliates can make business and first quite affordable. And for when it can't be affordable, if someone is paying for it, it's not usually for luxury. I try to always send my wife at least business class so she is treated MUCH more as a human being than she normally has been in coach, as she is a minority and disabled. Rich people charter planes or own them. Those in business class are usually people who just plan ahead better than you. And if you're jealous of that, then you're a jealous piece of something.
People in business class or first class are almost never rich. Sky mile programs, travel credit card point programs, gaming point relationships between airlines and affiliates can make business and first quite affordable.
person who flies so much they are able to game point relationships between airlines and affiliates: actually I am living in poverty and not what you'd call rich. 🤡 🤡 🤡
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don't do it in business and first class!
Lol. If you're wasting those sums of money to fly, I hope you do get noisy kids right next to you.
Here are some reasons for business class and first class:
- Certainly treated better by staff when flights are delayed or cancelled - They took excellent care of my wife and her food and lodging needs when her flight was disrupted by a volcanic eruption at her intended destination.
- The airline lounge - food, drinks and comfortable places to wait while stuck at airports
- More and heavier checked bag allowance - Super important if bringing things to family
- Laying down on long international flights to sleep
- Most importantly, if you are a person of colour or disabled, the staff treat you a hell of a lot better - Shouldn't have to pay more to be treated like a human being, but on a lot of airlines, you do
So it's not a waste, especially when my wife is flying alone 7600km, 10,500km, and even 11,700km as both a person of colour and a disabled person to deal with family tragedies. For you to want to screw with people for that... Yeah, don't care for you.
Thanks for explaining to everybody why you deserve to be treated better than everyone else because you have more money.
I don't. Paycheck to paycheck. Learn to use the tools of airline mile programs, credit cards with points, and airline mileage affiliate programs. Use your brain, not your money.
K I did all that and decided with my brain I'm gonna bring my kid too and I don't give a shit if the rich assholes in first class complain even if they insist they're "paycheck to paycheck" after airing a list of grievances about how they hate having to interact with plebs on an airplane.
I mean seriously you said in another post rich people own planes. If everybody who doesnt own a plane isn't rich I'm gonna go ahead and say you're completely out of touch.
I said charter or own. Wealthy people often charter. Who said anything about interacting with plebs? This thread is about mother freaking babies on this mother freaking plane! :) Now, if you think the definition of plebeian is just someone who has a crotch goblin traveling with them, that's a totally different problem for another post. Your assumption first class is only for the rich is in error. It might be someone with some savings, but very likely not rich. What is your definition of rich?
Now, as to you being angry and just wanting to use your child to piss off other people, keep that doing that. See how that goes for ya. While rare, parents have gotten themselves banned from airlines for being terrible people. Let's see if you fit that bill.
Really putting the pseudo in pseudospock, there lol
What, did you think I was the real McCoy? ;)
There's plenty of people who have to do all of that and don't have crazy amounts of money to blast on a plane ticket. My heart is not bleeding. And all this over someone bringing a child on a plane.
Children are usually fine. Let me be more specific. Babies. Babies are often a problem on flights. Often it's because of the cabin pressure hurting their ears because of their under developed eustachian tubes. All babies? no. But a lot of them. Learn how to help manage the child's ear pain if you must bring them. Otherwise, you're just being mean to your baby.
As for your plenty of people / heart not bleeding comment. Nice to meet you, Karen.
What should people do exactly? FedEx their kids?
Yes, PSA bring teething toys and gum if your child is old enough to help equalize their ear pressure that's fine, but kids are people too and they have a right to travel with their parents. The flying experience is aggressively uncomfortable and kids complaining isn't even the half of it.
No. Just don't go. You chose to raise a child, part of that includes not dragging them where they don't belong until they are old grown enough to behave. If you have to go, arrange care for the child while you are gone if they aren't mature enough yet. Bringing a baby on a plane says, "I refuse to pay money to take responsibility for my choosing to have a child, so I'll bring it with me and put that burden on everyone trapped with me on a plane." Gee thanks.
Could you just not go instead?
Funny.
Please don't leave your house, and if you do, please for the love that might be holy don't do it in areas actually inhabited by people.
Please tell that to parents who can't keep their kids polite in public. Being a child is not an excuse to be a monster.
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That’s why you keep them at home.
Your parents not letting you go outside is why you grew up into a redditor manchild who whines about literal babies. Your presence is 1000% more irritating than any baby. I'd tell you to stay at home but you never leave the basement anyways.
If you have to fly business with the rest of the poors that can't afford a private jet, you don't get to complain.
If you're going to travel, use ANC headphones instead of complaining about people's children.
That's not how active noise cancelling works. Any difference in sound you may notice is either due to the headphones simply having good padding or due to the noise cancellation making things seem quieter in general because it will be effective at cancelling out the plane's engines.
